[meteorite-list] Polygraph testing legality

[dorifry]

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "dorifry" <dorifry at embarqmail.com>
To: "dave carothers" <carothersdl at gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 2:54 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Polygraph testing legality


> Dave,
>
> Yes, they measure changes in bodily functions, nobody disputes that. But 
> what do these changes mean? Is there a scientifically proven 
> correspondence between the physiological changes and lying or truth 
> telling? No there isn't.  The changes could indicate simple nervousness 
> about being accused of a crime. They could indicate an upset stomach or a 
> migraine headache. They could indicate you're a Yogi master who can 
> control his bodily responses. There's way too much room for interpretation 
> when you try to determine a specific state of mind by measuring 
> physiological responses.
>
> Phil Whitmer
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "dave carothers" <carothersdl at gmail.com>
> To: "dorifry" <dorifry at embarqmail.com>; "Matson, Robert D." 
> <ROBERT.D.MATSON at saic.com>
> Cc: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 2:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Polygraph testing legality
>
>
>> Polygraph instruments are not meant to "read your mind".  They only 
>> measure changes to the autonomic nervous system (BP, galvinic skin 
>> response, heart rate, etc.).  When properly calibrated, the instrument 
>> does exactly that. You can't beat a peoperly calibrated polygraph 
>> instrument.
>>
>> You can, however, beat/fool the examiner and as Rob already stated, there 
>> are instances of pathological liars defeating the exam.  Their autonomic 
>> nervous system doesn't respond like the norm and therefore deception is 
>> not indicated during the exam questioning.
>>
>> Merry Christmas everyone!
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "dorifry" <dorifry at embarqmail.com>
>> To: "Matson, Robert D." <ROBERT.D.MATSON at saic.com>
>> Cc: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 1:08 PM
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Polygraph testing legality
>>
>>
>>> Rob,
>>>
>>> There are a few exceptions to the polygraph prohibition.
>>>
>>> The National Academy of Sciences called the tests "unreliable, 
>>> unscientific and biased."
>>>
>>> I don't believe that a machine can read your mind based on your blood 
>>> pressure, pulse and respiration rates. I wouldn't think too many 
>>> scientists would believe that. If a machine can really read your mind, 
>>> then why bother with a trial?
>>>
>>> Phil Whitmer
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Matson, Robert D." <ROBERT.D.MATSON at saic.com>
>>> To: "dorifry" <dorifry at embarqmail.com>; "Galactic Stone & Ironworks" 
>>> <meteoritemike at gmail.com>; "Benjamin P. Sun" <bpsun2009 at gmail.com>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 12:01 PM
>>> Subject: Polygraph testing legality
>>>
>>>
>>> Phil wrote:
>>>
>>>> Polygraph testing of employees is against federal law according to the
>>>> Employee Polygraph Protection Act (EPPA).
>>>
>>> Tell that to anyone who works for the CIA, NSA, NRO or any defense
>>> contractor on a special-access-required program.  ;-)
>>>
>>>> Just my opinion, but I'm pretty sure lie detector tests are pure
>>>> psuedo-science hokem designed to scare perps into confessing.
>>>
>>> Under proper conditions, they work quite well against most people.
>>> But they can be defeated by pathological liars.  --Rob
>>>
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