[meteorite-list] You Naysaying Denialists Are All Wrong, Dowsing Works!

Sat Oct 16 14:15:54 EDT 2010

"It is your brain that is working, not the rods."

Chris, you even though you are right, you're in a generous mood today!

I dowse with a single metal detector rod and that strange box and loop 
attached to it. I've had a great deal of success with this method. 
Usually I walk right to the meteorite and then find nothing else for a 
week. This has been documented in front of witnesses on several 
ocassions. I'm going to try it with the machine turned off to see if I 
get the same results and save some money on batteries. Two dowsing rods 
are definitely not necessary, one can work just fine - it's how you use 
it that counts ;-)

Best wishes
Doug

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Peterson <clp at alumni.caltech.edu>
To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Sat, Oct 16, 2010 10:20 am
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] You Naysaying Denialists Are All Wrong, 
Dowsing Works!

I don't appreciate having words put in my mouth. I did not say 
Einstein's opinion should not impress anybody; I said his opinion about 
dowsing was no better than anybody else's, since he had made no special 
study of the matter at all. Indeed, all he said in the quote what that 
he couldn't say how it could possibly work, except to speculate on 
unknown mechanisms. 
The fact that dowsing does not work is well documented. But again, if 
you are so certain it works, you should be taking advantage of Randi's 
offer. It's a simple enough test. 

I have held dowsing rods and walked around with them. I learned 
nothing, except how easily they wave around. I do say, dowsing doesn't 
work for locating anything, unless you already know where it is. To 
show the power of the unconscious, you can mark a spot and walk around 
with the rods, and observe that they cross when you are over the marked 
spot (it doesn't matter what it is- a coin, or piece of tape). But when 
you do it blindfolded, the rods don't cross over the object. It is your 
brain that is working, not the rods. 

If you want to dowse for meteorites, go ahead. That will leave more to 
be found by people who prefer to use actual, proven technological 
methods. 

Chris 

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Chris L Peterson 
Cloudbait Observatory 
http://www.cloudbait.com 

----- Original Message ----- From: "JoshuaTreeMuseum" 
<joshuatreemuseum at embarqmail.com> 
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> 
Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2010 1:17 AM 
Subject: [meteorite-list] You Naysaying Denialists Are All 
Wrong,Dowsing Works! 

> First off, let me say that all you naysaying dowser denialists need 
to get > off your high horses, come down from your ivory towers and 
enter the realm > of simple, reproducible, empirical evidence-based 
experimental scientific > methodology instead of parroting dogmatic 
drivel and appealing to the > authority of idiots. I don't think I've 
ever seen such a display of > psuedo-intellectual arrogance and phony 
elitism in my life. (Well, ok, > once or twice I have). I never thought 
I'd live to see the day a List > member would speak thusly of St. 
Albert, {1} and I quote C.P. : "His > opinion should not impress 
anybody". {2} As if the puny intellect of > anyone here is but the 
beginnings of a pimple on the left butt cheek of > Albert Einstein. 
> 
> The dowser denialist nattering nabobs of negativity owe an apology to 
 > Warren Sansoucie, (also known as Warren Peace), his dad, my dad, 
grandad > and greatgrandpa (three generations {3} of dowsers and damn 
proud of it), > and to all the nameless, faceless and voiceless dowsing 
utility workers > and plumbers everywhere. And a shout-out and word of 
thanks to that voice > in the wilderness counseling rationality and 
scientific method, Dr. Vann > from the prestigious University of 
Pennsylvania. 
> 
> Speaking of experimental scientific method, I would like to propose a 
 > simple, reproducible experiment that can be performed by any genius, 
 > near-genius, idiot or near-idiot. Now, before shooting off your mouth 
and > saying: " That Joshua Tree Museum guy knows not of what he 
speaketh!" > please take an hour or so and do this experiment. Trust 
me, you will be > amazed. 
> 
> I will bet dollars to doughnuts that not a single one of the 
vociferous, > self-important dowser denialists has ever actually 
dowsed. Your ignorance > is revealed by your words. When I say dowsing, 
I'm not talking about that > flakey New Age, divinatory, radiesthesia, 
occult crap. I'm talking about > an objective, observable, factual 
phenomenon that anyone can see with > their own two eyes. (Unless 
they're doing it as an actual blind > experiment and are blind-folded.) 
> 
> Get yourself a pair of L-shaped divining rods. {4} Any kind of 
bendable > wire will work. I used the first thing I found laying around 
the shop and > it works perfectly. For purposes of balance, hold the 
longer part of the > L-shaped rod in your hands with the shorter part 
projecting forward, or > vice-versa, whatever works for you. The rods 
must be gripped properly for > this to work. They must be held loosely 
so they can move freely of their > own accord. If you grip them too 
tightly, the experiment won't work. 
> This is the traditional closed-fist grip: 
> http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x177/cyphor79/closed-fist.jpg 
> I came up with this one myself, I call it the claw-hammer: 
> http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x177/cyphor79/claw-hammer.jpg 
> 
> Hold the rods parallel to each other and parallel to the ground. Now 
for > the fun part: hold the rods over a large iron meteorite, {5}and 
watch them > cross all by themselves. Approach the meteorite from a 
different angle and > watch as the rods cross as if by magic. It's as 
simple as that. You may > have to get down close to the meteorite 
(depending on the type), for the > rods to cross. Campos, 
Sikhote-Alines, Diablos and Gibeons will make the > rods cross 
vigorously and quickly. Muonions will make the rods cross very > 
slowly. I had my wife and mother-in-law try it and the rods crossed for 
 > them. Oddly, the rods wouldn't cross over one single Campo out of 10 
 > tested. I got no reaction out of pallasites, including a Seymchan 
that is > mostly iron. The rods wouldn't cross over the few stone NWAs 
that I > tested. Tomorrow I'm going to test more meteorites and shoot 
some video of > the experiment. 
> 
> I then tested a pyrite meteorwrong, a big slab of float copper, and a 
 > dozen or so large crystal cluster with no reaction. I held the rods 
over > an iron corn stove and they crossed so hard they almost jumped 
out of my > hands. I walked outside and held the rods over a steel 
wheel, an iron > fence, several cars, and a pile of scrap iron, each 
time they crossed > without any help from me. I walked over to a fire 
hydrant and they crossed > over it. I walked around the hydrant and 
they crossed over the underground > pipe. I could see the pipe cover in 
the middle of the street. I walked out > to it and crossed over the 
underground pipe several times, each time the > rods crossed. Two kids 
walking a dog asked me what I was doing. I > explained about dowsing 
and the underground pipe. I asked them to try it. > Sure enough the 
rods crossed when they passed over the pipe. I then went > up to the 
gas meter and could detect the underground pipe going out from > the 
building, under the parking lot and could follow it as it ran between > 
the street and sidewalk. I then went back into the building and with 
the > rods I could tell you exactly where the gas, water and sewer 
pipes are. > I'm going to try this with some blind-folded people 
tomorrow. 
> 
> I would like to ask each and every naysayer to try this simple 
experiment, > then come on the List and publicly tell me it doesn't 
work. I had four > people try it and it worked for all of them. This is 
one of the coolest > things I have ever done. I'm totally into it and 
will be conducting > several more dowsing experiments. All I ask is 
that you try it yourself > before running your mouth about something 
you know nothing about. I was > very skeptical until I actually tried 
it. I honestly didn't think it > would work. I can assure you it does. 
Anyone can detect underground pipes > with two pieces of wire. You 
don't need any fancy-dancy equipment to do > it. 
> 
> And I looked into the Amazing Kreskin's offer. I thought this would 
be the > easiest million bucks you could possibly make. Amazing Randi 
is running > a complete con and total publicity scam. It's rigged so 
nobody can get > past the preliminary tests. If I can detect 
underground pipes my first > day, there must be thousands of real 
dowsers that can do it. Try it, it's > easy and it's amazing. 
> 
> Seriously, I want all the deniers to try dowsing over any large iron 
or > steel metallic object, buried or on the surface, meteoritic or > 
anthropogenic, and then tell me honestly it doesn't work. I know it 
will > be hard to eat crow with all the mouthing off and some of you 
will be > unable to admit you were totally wrong. The honest ones will 
swallow their > pride and agree that once again Einstein was right and 
you mere mortals > were wrong. Dowsing works and nobody knows why. It 
surely has something to > do with the Earth's magnetic field. The rods 
are obviously amplifying > minute muscular movements but what is 
causing the unconscious reactions > and why? 
> 
> I still am not sure about dowsing for water, but I have no doubt 
about > dowsing iron. I don't see why this principle can't be applied 
to hunting > for large iron meteorites. 
> 
> Phil Whitmer 

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