[meteorite-list] Temperature of meteorites (Bernd's List)

Tue Nov 23 13:58:51 EST 2010

Hi Larry,

>> is it possible that a burn is due to something very cold rather than hot?

Absolutely! There's the trick with the old clothes iron. Stick it in the
freezer for a couple hours, take it out and tell someone to touch it.
They'll say it is HOT! Of course, this is the perception of how they expect
something should feel, which could be similar with fresh meteorites.

What I still find interesting, though, is Sena. At that time, no one
understood what a meteorite was and it was pre-Vesuvius eruption (theories
of volcanic stones falling from the sky). To this man, it was simply a rock
that appeared on the ground and was hot. He had no reason to embellish or
lie and knew nothing of fiery meteors. Was it hot or was it really cold.
We'll never really know.

In the end, I think both hot and cold stones are possible, though it is
interesting to note all of the historic falls with tales of heat.

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-----Original Message-----
From: lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu [mailto:lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 9:14 AM
To: Mike Bandli
Cc: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de; meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Temperature of meteorites (Bernd's List)

Hi Mike:

I am still a fan of cold meteorites (yes I am biased), so is it possible
that a burn is due to something very cold rather than hot?

Larry

> I have a couple to add to Bernd's list. Both were picked up immediately
> after the fall:
>
> 23) Lixna: Two other workers who were harrowing a nearby field near the
> village of Lasdany saw another object covered in earth, which had impacted
> the ground only 20 steps away. One of the men touched the stone and burned
> his hand. The burn was later confirmed in a letter by the Count Plater
> Sieber as he described it as a reddened swollen area on the man's
> finger...
>
> 24) Sena: The fall at Sena took place around noon on November 17, 1773...
> a
> man named Miguel Calvo discovered a mysterious stone on the property of
> his
> neighbor, Francisco Gonzalez. He first moved it with his hoe and then by
> hand, but withdrew immediately because the stone was "very hot..."
>
> Sena also occurred long before the acceptance of meteorites and the
> eruption
> of Mt. Vesuvius, so there was no reason to be predisposed to any "hot
> rock"
> ideas.
>
> Fried ice cream,
>
> Mike
>
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> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of
> bernd.pauli at paulinet.de
> Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 1:06 AM
> To: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Temperature of meteorites
>
> Good morning Listees, Listoids, Listers,
>
> Here's a copy of something I posted many years ago (maybe 2004).
>
> Cheers,
>
> Bernd
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> Meteorites - warm or hot to the touch?
>
> 01) The Binningup meteorite was recovered within a few minutes
> of the fall  and was reported to have been warm to the touch.
>
> 02) Cabin Creek: Three hours after the fall, Mr. and Mrs. Shandy were able
> to find the hole and excavate the mass, reportedly still uncomfortably
> warm.
>
> 03) Glatton: was warm, not hot, when first picked up.
>
> 04) Gurram Konda: near the tent some small warm
> stones, which the Sentry has seen falling down.
>
> 05) Juromenha: The mass was said to have been incandescent
> when  discovered and still warm when recovered next morning
>
> 06) L'Aigle: Affrighted persons who picked them up found
> the stones to be very warm and smelling of sulfur.
>
> 07) Limerick: It was immediately dug up, and I have been informed by those
> that were
> present, and on whom I could rely, that it was then warm and had a
> sulphurous smell.
>
> 08) Middlesbrough: The stone was "new-milk warm" when found, ...
>
> 09) Noblesville: The meteorite was not glowing as it passed the boys and
> was "slightly warm" when Spaulding picked it up a few seconds after it
> fell.
>
> 10) Pettiswood: The affrighted horse fell to the Earth, and two boys
> rushed
> to him in
> terror carrying fragments that Bingley found to be warm as milk just from
> the cow.
>
> 11) Pontlyfni: When I picked up the fragment of metal, or whatever it is,
> it
> was warm in my hand.
>
> 12) Rowton: It is, moreover, stated that when Mr. Brooks found the mass
> "it
> was quite warm."
>
> 13) Tsukuba: Seconds later student Ryutaro Araki stopped to retrieve
> a still-warm stone that had fallen in front of his car near Tsukuba
>
> 14) Wold Cottage: Rushing to the spot he found a large
> stone, warm and smoking and smelling of sulfur.
>
> 15) Crumlin: When dug out the object, which had embedded itself in a
> straightdownward
> course for 13 inches, was found to be quite hot, continuing so for about
> an
> hour.
>
> 16) Eichstädt: The man rushed to the spot but found the black
> stone too hot to pick up until it cooled in the snow.
>
> 17) Hanau: A hot stone the size of a pea was picked up, weight 0.37 gr.
>
> 18) Harrogate: A hot stone, like basalt, fell accompanied
> by  whistling in the air and lightning and thunder ...
>
> 19) Holbrook: One piece larger than an orange fell into a tree in a yard
> at Aztec cutting the limb off slick and clean and falling to the ground,
> and when picked up was almost red-hot.
>
> Von Achen, who saw them fall, reported that they were too hot to pick
> up. Two accounts state that they became lighter in color after cooling.
>
> 20) Lucé: several harvesters, startled by sudden thunderclaps and a loud
> hissing noise, looked up and saw the stone plunge into a field where they
> found it half-buried and too hot to pick up.
>
> 21) Magombedze: A 10-cm stone weighing approximately 600 gr
> survived the impact intact and was hot to touch.
>
> 22) Menziswyl: The farmers say that the stone fell with the lightning and
> shattered when it hit the ground; it was hot when they picked it up.
>
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