[meteorite-list] Mars Odyssey THEMIS Images: ET? -- Not!!
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Starsinthedirt at aol.com
Fri May 21 20:58:43 EDT 2010
Elizabeth is right, "Seeing things" in images is tempting but seldom
useful and more often than not becomes a silly game.
This may seem unrelated but the same mental process is at work. My
micrographs have caused people to "See things" as well.
The gallery is at
http://www.meteorite.com/meteorite-gallery/meteorites-class_frame.htm
When I computer search my images I find more returns on weird things than
legitimate posts. So many I needed to ad the following disclaimer.
"Welcome to the Tom Phillips Meteorite Micrograph Gallery!
This gallery contains microscopic images of meteorites.
While it is tempting to read into what you might think you see, I have
never found any evidence of past life or any thing supernatural. I have read
claims by people using my images to support their ideas, theories and
dogmas. The claims of muscle fibers and other animal/people parts are the easiest
to disprove as the size scale is off. Many meteorites have various forms
of barred chondrules which may be large or quite small, almost fiber looking.
These are not biological in nature. I can and have found strikingly
similar looking structures in fresh volcanic rock.
The claims involving faith and much harder to address. All I can say is I
have noted no messages or hidden symbolism in any of my images.
My images combine some science and some art. I am concentrating on the
visually pleasing. What that means is I am often working with magnifications
much higher than what is typically useful in optical meteorite
classification examinations and as such, my images look "Different" than what many are
accustomed to. This puts me in the position of being sensitive to outrageous
claims involving my images. I am careful to say only what is accurate and
I generally avoid analysis. I give the meteorite name, type of material,
magnification or field of view and the microscope technique.
If you see any thing more than meteorite structures in any of these
images, have fun! But remember, this is no more scientific or spiritual than
seeing dogs in clouds.
Tom Phillips "
In a message dated 5/21/2010 6:36:12 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
ewarner at umd.edu writes:
Zooming in on low res files of old Mars images until you see the pixels
is not a good way to try to get others to see your point of view. I
would be more understanding if you "see" a house in a jumble of boulders
like someone might "see" a dragon shape in the clouds. But that's not
what you mean is it?
Of course Ron won't respond.
Yes, pictures are worth a million words with 2 million being lies!
Learning to interpret space imagery is an art. It is well known that
various optical illusions occur when looking at images and you don't
have the right context. Craters can look like raised domes... Alot has
to do with shadows and how our eyes interpret (misinterpret) shadows in
pictures.
Clear Skies!
Elizabeth
James Balister wrote:
> OK Richard, lets forget about Ron. He no doubt won't reply to that
question anyway. And I would be surprised if he did! Now I know that this
thread is about meteorites, which I like just like the rest of you here. But
lets face it some meteorites come from Mars which makes Mars a good topic.
> Four years ago I published a book, The Adventures of Diana. An
adventure fantasy that is fiction. I did research for the book for over 30 years
to get my facts right. One project took about 10 years of 8 hours a day
pouring over Mars pictures from NASA/JPL. I easly checked a million
pictures. I figured that if MCDonald (if I remember his name right) found one
face on Mars that perhaps there were more! What I found on Mars I put the
coordidates in the book as part of the story. My book is for sale all over
the world. Yet I have not sold 1 coppy. Which I find very strange. The
books spelling got screwed up and it would have taken a fortune to fix it, so
I let it go. Seeing that most can't spell anyway. And On my site the
data that I get says that a persentage who come there are redirected and
another groupe are told that there is no such site and still another groupe is
told that they are forbiden. Only 1 percent get to see
> the site. Anyway, Here is the site. http://dianathebook.com/ At
the bottom of the page are pictures that I got from NASA/JPL. They are from
Mars! I enlarged them and no other changes were made. Now if you just
decide to buy the book, please let me know so that I can figure out if you
actualy can get the book. And DO let me think just what you think about the
picutres that I have found on Mars that show structures! I have put the
pictures on the net but no one seem to care!
> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: Richard Kowalski <damoclid at yahoo.com>
>> To: "meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com"
<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>; James Balister <balisterjames at att.net>
>> Sent: Fri, May 21, 2010 4:59:46 PM
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mars Odyssey THEMIS Images: ET?
>>
>> I don't want to speak for Ron, but I do not think he reads the lists he
posts
>> to. That's not his job. He posts press releases and in the 13 plus
years I've
>> been aware of his duties, I can't remember a single time he discussed
any of
>> them, even when asked.
>
> As someone who's funding comes from NASA, I can
>> tell you nothing would be better and more exciting for the agency and
especially
>> those working on Mars than to find incontrovertible proof that life
existed (or
>> better still) still exists on Mars. There's >no way< that would be kept
>> secret.
>
>
> --
> Richard Kowalski
> Full Moon Photography
> IMCA
>> #1081
>
>
> --- On Fri, 5/21/10, James Balister <>
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>> wrote:
>
>> From: James Balister <> ymailto="mailto:balisterjames at att.net"
>> href="mailto:balisterjames at att.net">balisterjames at att.net>
>>
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mars Odyssey THEMIS Images: ET?
>> To: "> ymailto="mailto:meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com"
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>> Date: Friday, May 21, 2010, 2:48 PM
>> No comment! I want to hear what
>> Ron
>> has to say about pictures first! I am sure that he is
>>
>> asking around. So lets see what he says. Then we can get
>> started, or
>> not.
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----
>>
>>> From: Warren Sansoucie <>
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>>>
>> To: > href="mailto:balisterjames at att.net">balisterjames at att.net
>>> Sent:
>> Fri, May 21, 2010 4:41:27 PM
>>> Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Mars
>> Odyssey THEMIS
>> Images: ET?
>>>
>>>>> So they must be NASA's. And if they come from
>> NASA's site,
>> they
>>> must be NASA's. Right?
>>>
>>
>>
>> I'm not sure I follow what you are
>>> implying. You claiming you have
>> photo's from NASA's
>> website that shows an alien
>> house?
>>
>> Warren
>>
>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------
>>> Date:
>>> Fri,
>> 21 May 2010 14:26:27 -0700
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>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mars Odyssey THEMIS
>> Images: ET?
>>>
>>> Waren, then you are saying
>> that if someone did
>> discover a martian house
>>> that
>>> NASA could NOT deny it because all Mars pictures come
>> from NASA?
>>
>>> After all you and I did not go there to take the pics.
>> So
>> they must be NASA's.
>>> And if they come from NASA's site, they must
>> be
>> NASA's.
>>> Right?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> ----- Original Message ----
>>>> From:
>>> Warren
>> Sansoucie
>>>> To: METEORITE LIST
>>>> Sent: Fri, May
>> 21,
>>> 2010 3:32:42 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list]
>> Mars Odyssey THEMIS
>>
>>> Images: ET?
>>> Hello All,
>>>
>>> Has
>>>
>> anyone bothered to ponder the fact that the very
>>>> pictures
>> discussed
>>> were PROVIDED by NASA?
>>>
>>> Do we
>> think that if NASA were
>>> to find E.T.'s they would
>> be foolish enough to give
>> YOU the photo proof and
>> then
>>>> deny it all???
>>>
>>> Come
>> on folks. Again....
>>> conspiracy theories are
>> scenarios that are more difficult to execute
>>> and maintain than the
>> truth they
>>>> attempt to
>>> debunk.
>>>
>>> Often times a mountain in a poor picture is
>>> just
>>>> a mountain in a poor picture.
>>> NASA can run the
>>> math on orbital
>> insertion
>>>> and actually achieve it.... take a look at
>>> how hard that is to do and then think
>>>> twice before you
>> feel they
>>> would be dumb enough to hand out photos of ET
>> and
>>>> then waste time
>>> denying it.
>>> Warren Sansoucie
>>> I.M.C.A. #3174
>>>
>>> St.
>>>> Louis MO
>>>
>>>> Date: Fri, 21 May 2010
>>> 12:02:09 -0700
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>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mars
>> Odyssey THEMIS
>> Images:
>>> ET?
>>>> Tracy, I agree with you! All I have seen
>> from other people is just rocks
>>>> and shadows. But will NASA say
>> the
>>> same of real good pictures that can be
>> verafied as actually comming
>>> from NASA. Or will they finaly admit
>> to the
>>>> et
>>> presence?
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original
>> Message
>>>> ----
>>>>> From: tracy latimer <>
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>>> Sent: Fri, May 21, 2010 1:56:27
>> PM
>>>>> Subject: Re:
>>> [meteorite-list]
>>>> Mars Odyssey THEMIS Images:
>>> ET?
>>>>>
>>>> I'm fairly
>>>>
>> sure the
>>> line would be 'Extraordinary claims require
>>> extraordinary
>>>> proof.' Are you asking
>> whether NASA would endorse
>> a
>>> claim
>>>> that an image from one of their Mars photos is
>>> proof of extraterrestrial
>> intelligence? Several
>>> people have pointed to details that
>>>> they found on
>>> NASA photos and said
>> that they are structures or
>>>> Stonehenge-like
>> constructs or
>>>>> monuments or other proof of ET.
>>>> Each
>>> time, when the area can be
>> scrutinized in more detail,
>>> the
>>>> 'pyramids' or
>> whatnot have been shown to be a
>>> natural
>> formation,
>>>> trick of lighting, or other explanation. No
>>> aliens
>>>> needed. Even the famous 'Face'
>> falls apart
>>> when examined more
>>>> closely. Humans are
>>> pattern-seeking beasties; it's a
>> survival mechanism,
>>> but
>> sometimes it backfires on us.
>>>> It would have
>>> to
>>>> be a pretty obvious
>>>>> and
>> verifiable alien artifact
>>> to get the thumbs
>>>> up
>> from NASA or JPL as such, and
>>> so far, nothing
>> even remotely like
>>>> that has been
>> discovered.
>>>> My 2
>>> shekels.
>>>> Best!
>>>>
>> Tracy
>>> Latimer
>>>>
>> ----------------------------------------
>>>>> Date: Fri,
>>> 21
>>>> May 2010 11:42:05
>> -0700
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>>> Subject: Re:
>> [meteorite-list] Mars Odyssey THEMIS
>> Images: May
>>> 17-21,
>>>>> 2010
>>>>>
>>>>> Attn Ron! First I
>>> want to say
>>>> that I
>> have a Big, Big
>>>>> respect for
>>> NASA/JPL! And
>> people like Patty
>>>> Garsea who does grate work! But
>> you
>>>>> never answered my
>>>> question.
>>>>> How
>>> would NASA react if someone found faces
>>>> on Mars that
>>> are like The Face on
>> Mars? Or other structures using
>> NASA's
>>> own
>>>>> pictures? Would they be excited and
>> accepting?
>>
>>> Or just the reverse?
>>>> Just
>> what
>>>>> would they do? I am
>>> sure we would all
>> like to know the
>>>> the answer to that
>>> and
>>>>> the official stance of
>> NASA/JPL.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
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