[meteorite-list] Meteors, by C. P. Oliver an original copy pubished in 1925

[almitt2 at localnet.com]

Hi Bob,

Haven't had time to chime in on this but wanted to. I agree with your 
statements. Especially in regard to Mike Jensen's knowledge on the 
subject of meteorite books and signitures. He would be the first person 
I would contact If I wondered about something in a meteorite book and 
is a super knowledgable guy.

While he was being humble by saying he isn't an absolute expert, an 
expert is someone who knows more than the typical person on a subject 
and I would say that  Mike is an expert as he has been dealing in books 
for a long long time.

--AL Mitterling

Quoting Bob Loeffler <bobl at peaktopeak.com>:

> Hi Shawn,
>
> It's a well-known fact (there have been many studies done on it) that women
> usually write with a curvier (larger loop) style than men do.  That is what
> Mike was referring to and I completely agree with him.  The signature in
> your book was probably done by a woman, but yes, there is still a
> *possibility* that it was written by a man.
>
> Signing your name and writing your signature is the same thing.  I'm not
> sure why you think they are different.  If I sign my name, that is my
> signature.  Maybe you are talking about when a person casually writes
> his/her name on something, but most people who do that will print their name
> instead of using cursive writing.  And then each letter is usually written
> separately instead of them flowing together.  In both books, the "a" and "z"
> in "Paz" flow together, so that is probably not his version of printing his
> name in cursive.  Women write in cursive a lot more than men do, but I don't
> know what it was like for LaPaz' generation.
>
> Or maybe you are talking about the guy's first name which is in Mike's book
> but not in yours?  But that doesn't matter in this case.  Looking at the
> last name, it's very obvious that the "L" is very different between Mike's
> and your books' signatures/names, so two different people wrote those names.
>
> You and the guy selling the book could very well be correct in saying that
> this is LaPaz' signature or written name, but there is no way to know for
> sure.  The way people write changes over time (especially from childhood to
> adulthood), but major changes (like that "L") are not usually changed during
> adulthood.  Mike has been dealing with historical books for a long time, so
> I would trust his word on this subject more than most people's.
>
> If that really is LaPaz' signature, then that (and the notations) would
> increase the value of the book for some collectors.  Other collectors, of
> course, could care less.
>
> Regards,
>
> Bob
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Shawn Alan
> Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 3:05 AM
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> Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteors,by C. P. Oliver an original copy pubished
> in 1925
>
> Hi Mike and List
>  
> Clearly I find it funny that your saying your book is the real deal and the
> one posted on the link isn't from him. Now why do you think yours is the
> real deal? You never explained where you got the book with his signature,
> now did you. Now I find this to be funny. You state that
>  
> "Hopefully you will agree that these were not done by the same person.
> To my eye it looks like yours was done by a female as the letters have
> such large loops."  you also go on to say ......
>  
> "It in no way makes them an expert in recognizing his signature. I
> really takes a side by side comparison to do this."
>  
> O really. so when did you become a hand writing analysis expert? You said
> yourself the the image on the website I posted on the List was done by a
> female. How do you know that it was written by a female? Also you even said
> yourself
>  
> "Obviously you believe that by being related to someone you could
> recognize their signature expertly. I do not agree with you. I would
> have to have my a known copy of my wife's signature to compare it to
> another to be certain it is hers."
>  
> Again Mike, here you go into saying that you wouldn't be able to tell by
> your wife's signature unless you had copies to compare it to. So how does it
> give you a right to say that the signing was done by a female on the link I
> provided to the list?  
>  
> http://www.smugmug.com/gallery/11388383_xtf3A#800281414_E7khp
>  
> But I think your over looking something that I have stated. I have been
> communicating with the individual that posted the book and he emailed me
> back and said .....
>  
>  
> Hi Shawn:
>  
>      Dr. LaPaz often wrote his name in a book as soon
> as he received it.  That is his writing "LaPaz") on the inside
> front cover of Meteors.  All notations in the book (I think they
> are all in red ink) are his.
>  
> Ok, the key words is Dr LaPaz wrote his name in his books. Now do you get
> what I said about....
>
> "Lastly, another thing to remember, signing your name in a book and
> doing a signature for some fan can hold different signatures?" and you say
> ....
>  
> "Sorry don't really understand your point here so I cannot comment on it."
>  
> So lets say I buy a book and I sign my name in it. Now I wouldnt do a
> signature in the book because signatures are hard to read, I would SIGN my
> name in the book instead. Now if I was going to do a signature on a
> document, I would use my signature, or signature to sign someones book. I
> think you have have done this before, signing someting with your name on it.
> Now I have something for you to look at and Listers
>  
>  
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/48262799@N03/4422192244/
>  
> Ok now what I did is I took your signature which is the bottom and took the
> signing of his name from the website and superimposed them and scaled down
> the size. Now its kinda odd to me when you look at them superimposed some
> simularites show up. The size and points were where the the letter meet
> match up. Look at the L and the P they both have a simulare shapes. But this
> is the ticker, look at the P in the left corner and see the little hook that
> ends at the P and now look at the hook that ends on your P what do I see a
> hook but its tighter. I would find this very odd that a women that you
> stated wrote in the book would have very simular writing patterns as Dr
> LaPaz signature. What I am concluding and had concluded before I saw your
> one signature is that maybe :)  another thing to remember, signing your name
> in a book and doing a signature for some fan can hold different signatures?"
>
>  
> Now with this said I would find this book rare in a since that he signed his
> name in the book and everyone else including you have multipal signatures by
> Dr LaPaz. Now what would be more unquie, a book he personal owned and
> signed, which has mathmatical notations he wrote, and where the book came
> from his estate, or a book he signed with his signature for a fan?
>  
> Thank you
> Shawn Alan
>
>
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