[meteorite-list] Its official! NWA 6291 "The King ofAngrites"for sale -...

Starsinthedirt at aol.com Starsinthedirt at aol.com
Sat Jul 24 00:03:37 EDT 2010 

Why are we walking all over the angrite  thread?  I want to hear more about 
NWA 6291  It is a stunning  meteorite!   Did you read Shawn's very 
interesting post proceeded by  Sterling's?

As to you two who can not let this other issue rest.   Don't do your 
victory dance.  I think Kirk made my point better than I  could of made it myself.

Tom
In a message dated 7/23/2010 9:52:31 P.M.  Mountain Daylight Time, 
geeg48 at msn.com writes:


Yup, the answer  here was obvious.  I just felt that I would leave it to 
someone else to  point that out.  I get kind of tired of playing the "bad 
guy", especially  cuz I'm not a bad guy.

Again, with respect,


Greg  Lindh  



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>  From: bandk at chorus.net
> To: Starsinthedirt at aol.com;  meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 22:46:24  -0500
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Its official! NWA 6291 "The King  
ofAngrites"for sale -...
>
> Vrrrrp----WRONG----Faith is something  that one accepts as the TRUTH or
> reality, but they can not PROVE it  empirically.
>
> Kirk......:-)
> ----- Original Message  -----
> From: 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 9:33  PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Its official! NWA 6291 "The  King
> ofAngrites"for sale -...
>
>
>> Faith is the  action of making your self accept some thing you know not 
to
>> be  true. Other wise it is just learning.
>>
>> How did we get on  this nonsense again?
>>
>> Tom
>>
>> In a  message dated 7/23/2010 8:22:53 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
>>  geeg48 at msn.com writes:
>>
>>
>> Hi  Eric,
>>
>> I don't want to get drawn into another long  debate, but I'd like to make
>> a
>> couple of observations.  You wrote:
>>
>> "Funny, I never realized there was "proof" of  what faith believes."
>>  ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>  Well Eric, by definition, faith doesn't require proof, but often  times
>> matters of faith have quite a bit of evidence (a type of  proof) to 
support
>> them. I could give examples, but I would be wrong  to bring them up on
>> this
>> List, and if I did I would be  chastised by most of the members here.
>>
>> In your email,  you not only accuse faith of not having any proofs, but
>>  you
>> also say that it is only made up of, "conjecture and  subjective
>> interpretation of observation."
>>
>>  Well Eric, to be honest, I find that much of today's science, and  the
>> science of the past, is also made up of much "conjecture and  subjective
>> interpretation of observation." It's not supposed to be  like this, but
>> much of
>> science has a very religious feel  to it. Science is supposed to examine
>> data, evidence and facts, and  then follow that data, evidence, facts
>> wherever
>> they may  lead. Scientists are supposed to have completely open minds.
>>  They
>> are not supposed to have *any agendas*. Unfortunately, all too  many
>> scientists do have agendas (presuppositions). They view the  evidence
>> through
>> their own biased lenses. They view the  evidence through their own type
>> of
>> "faith  lense".
>>
>> Mark wrote the following to you, "science has a  lot more 'faith' to it
>> than most people  realise!"
>>
>> I agree with him, and I think Mark Twain would  also agree with him.
>>
>>
>> With  respect,
>>
>> Greg  Lindh
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Date: Fri,  23 Jul 2010 01:00:40 -0700
>>> From:  eric at meteoritesusa.com
>>> To:  meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>> Subject: Re:  [meteorite-list] Its official! NWA 6291 "The King
>> ofAngrites" for  sale -...
>>>
>>> Funny, I never realized there was  "proof" of what faith believes. Only
>>> conjecture and subjective  interpretation of observation.
>>>
>>>  Eric
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7/23/2010 12:52 AM, Mark  Ford wrote:
>>>> Good  quote.
>>>>
>>>> I also  like:
>>>>
>>>> "Science is almost the same as  faith, but just sometimes, once in a
>>>> while, the level of  required proof is taken up a notch"
>>>>
>>>>  Mark
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original  Message-----
>>>> From:  meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
>>>>  [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of  
GREG
>>>> LINDH
>>>> Sent: 23 July 2010  04:31
>>>> To: gmhupe at htn.net
>>>> Cc:  meteorite-list
>>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Its official!  NWA 6291 "The King
>>>> ofAngrites" for sale  -...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  Hello Greg,
>>>>
>>>> I've always loved science,  but I do think that some in the scientific
>>>> community tend to  stretch things a bit thin sometimes. All kinds of
>>>> theories  about all kinds of things are thrown around with little to
>>>>  support them. This reminds me of a quote by Mark Twain. The  quote
>>>> follows:
>>>>
>>>>  "There is something fascinating about science. One gets such
>>>>  wholesale returns of conjecture out of such a trifling investment  of
>>>> fact."
>>>>
>>>> Something  to think about....
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  Greg  Lindh
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>  From: gmhupe at htn.net
>>>>> To:  DRose at emersonhosp.org
>>>>> Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 20:51:24  -0400
>>>>> CC: jgrossman at usgs.gov;  meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>>>> Subject: Re:  [meteorite-list] Its official! NWA 6291 "The King  of
>>>>>
>>>> Angrites" for sale  -...
>>>>
>>>>> Hello  everyone,
>>>>>
>>>>> Isn't 'science' just  that, "Science"... Ever evolving as ground truth
>>>>> comes  in? Without open minds and hard work by many dedicated
>>>>>  individuals, 'science' would not get very far, especially in the  
world
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> of  meteortitics! Much of the initial work and/or thoughts are  
educated
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>  suggestions which are meant to excite others in rational and  
sometimes
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>  heated discussions, no matter what scientific focus is  being
>>>>> discussed. I won't even bring up the evolution  talks of the past...
>>>>>
>>>>> Best  Regards,
>>>>> Greg  Hupe
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 22, 2010, at 8:00  AM, "Rose, David MD"
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>  I agree with Jeff completely. Same thing happens in Medicine.  And
>>>>>> even when the data is peer reviewed, that  doesn't mean that it is
>>>>>> rock solid truth. It's a  process of continual evaluation and
>>>>>>  refinement.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  David
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original  Message-----
>>>>>> From:  meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com  
[mailto:meteorite-
>>>>>>  list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Jeff  Grossman
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 7:40  AM
>>>>>> To:  meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>>>>> Subject: Re:  [meteorite-list] Its official! NWA 6291 "The King of
>>>>>>  Angrites" for sale -...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Yikes! Abstracts to meetings are not peer  reviewed!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  jeff
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  On 7/21/2010 10:05 PM, Adam Hupe  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Jason and  List,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I do not  refute Melinda Hutson's article that was never  peer
>>>>>>> reviewed  and
>>>>>>> contains several errors according to the  classifying scientists. I
>>>>>>>  asked
>>>>>>> scientists about the article and they  stated, it is obvious that
>>>>>>> she didn't  read
>>>>>>> the original peer reviewed abstract  carefully, even mistaking the
>>>>>>> type  of
>>>>>>> petrology that was discussed using formulas  that simply do not
>>>>>>> apply to  the
>>>>>>> texture NWA 2999  exhibits.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There  were several prestigious coauthors listed in the  original
>>>>>>> paper;  Unique
>>>>>>> Angrite NWA 2999: The Case For Samples  From Mercury.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Who am I to argue with the world's best? I will keep an open  mind
>>>>>>> and hope  for
>>>>>>> some ground truth that will hopefully settle  it once and for all.
>>>>>>> I think  the
>>>>>>> authors were making a point of having an  open mind and that the
>>>>>>> subject  should
>>>>>>> be debated possibly stimulated more  scientific interest in
>>>>>>> Angrites. It took  a
>>>>>>> long time to win over the scientific community  that some of these
>>>>>>>  meteorites
>>>>>>> were actually from Mars. It was  debated to death and now nobody
>>>>>>> argues  about
>>>>>>> the Shergottite parent body any  more.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best  Regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Adam
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