[meteorite-list] Martian vs. Lunar meteorites - Notes and Image
Shawn Alan
photophlow at yahoo.com
Wed Aug 11 13:13:33 EDT 2010
Hello Listers
Adam wrote
"Here is an image of
astronaut and Moon Walker Charlie Duke using the complete slice on NWA5000 to
promote future missions to the moon:"
I think a really big push why many countries are trying to promote future missions to the moon is Helium 3, the answer to energy. Russia is planing to mine the moon by 2020. I wonder at that time what the prices will be like for Lunar meteorites and the fallowing years when the moon becomes colonized. Down below are some links related to helium 3 and the race to a new found energy locked up in Lunar rock.
http://english.pravda.ru/science/tech/17-03-2006/77404-moon-0
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Russia-Wants-to-Mine-Helium-3-on-the-Moon-17062.shtml
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2xChmfLlMo
Shawn Alan
IMCA 1633
eBaystore
http://shop.ebay.com/photophlow/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=&_trksid=p4340
[meteorite-list] Martian vs. Lunar meteorites - Notes and ImageAdam Hupe raremeteorites at yahoo.com
Wed Aug 11 12:06:27 EDT 2010
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Martin Wrote:
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With lunaites I see a shallow trough. I think mainly caused by the
expectations of the collectors, that due to the impact of the large-tkwNWA
5000, Moon would be available at unseen low rates.
Such little troughs happened with lunars also in past (remember the Dhofar
depression), but are always of a very temporary occurrence. Best indicator
for the latter is, that those lunaites of particular interest due to their
rare subtypes and special properties, remained constant in price and demand.
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It is interesting that one stone can change perceptions proving that we are
indeed in a very thin but growing market. The predictions that NWA 5000 would
somehow ruin the market are unfounded. I knew from the beginning that the TKW
was more than the meteorite collecting community could bear all at once and is
one of the reasons I pursued other markets with this meteorite. Fortunately,
Lunar meteorites do not depend entirely on the meteorite collectors market and
are greatly desired in other venues. In other words, you do not have to
collect meteorites in order to appreciate the unmatched scientific and aesthetic
qualities on NWA 5000 or any other lunaite for that matter. This meteorite is
currently the largest and most sought after certified moon rock in the world
rating number one in desirability on
non-biased appraisal surveys. The insurance value was set higher on this
meteorite than
an other in the world.
The only complete slice of NWA 5000 (The Ambassador Slice) has been traveling
around the world promoting meteorites in a positive manner. Several
institutions have taken advantage of our willingness to loan out the Ambassador
slice and it has been booked solid since it was prepared. Here is an image of
astronaut and Moon Walker Charlie Duke using the complete slice on NWA5000 to
promote future missions to the moon:
http://themeteoritesite.com/DukeSlice.JPG
Best Regards,
Adam
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----- Original Message ----
From: Martin Altmann <altmann at meteorite-martin.de>
To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Wed, August 11, 2010 2:21:51 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Martian vs. Lunar meteorites
Hi Rob & list,
a well-arranged list of the Lunars and Martians sorted by pairings you have
available on Norbert Classen's pages: http://www.meteoris.de/
Lunar list:
http://www.meteoris.de/luna/list.html
Martian list:
http://www.meteoris.de/mars/list.html
A comprehensive list with extensive information on each lunar stone, you'll
find at Randy Korotev's famous lunar meteorites site - the best place for
lunaites in the whole web:
http://meteorites.wustl.edu/lunar/moon_meteorites.htm
and there the lunar listings:
http://meteorites.wustl.edu/lunar/moon_meteorites_list_alumina.htm
The Martian pendant to Randy's pages are in progress, set up by Tony Irving:
http://www.imca.cc/mars/martian-meteorites.htm
>Depending on who is deciding which meteorites are paired, there
>will be variability on how many unique Martian meteorites there
>are.
Martians and Lunars are the only meteorite classes, where due to their
special meaning, pairings are always and immediately established quasi as
part of the classification process.
That's possible, cause they count among the most investigated and known
meteorites and there doesn't exist something like an "anonymous" Martian or
Lunar.
Thanks for the compliments for NWA 6162 :-)
Indeed our experiences don't coincide with that said here on the list about
the demand for Martians and the individual sizes of the specimens the
collectors prefer.
>From NWA 6162 currently only 2 grams (six smaller cuts) are left and it went
so fast like before NWA 5789, for which we hadn't to make advertizing
neither or like NWA 5990, where only a little is still left.
Hence one could think, that these are special cases,
NWA 6162 outshines all shergottitic finds known before regarding freshness
(and aesthetics IOHO)
and NWA 5789 and 5990 both were petrological novelties,
but also e.g. with the demand for NWA 4925 we are content.
With lunaites I see a shallow trough. I think mainly caused by the
expectations of the collectors, that due to the impact of the large-tkwNWA
5000, Moon would be available at unseen low rates.
Such little troughs happened with lunars also in past (remember the Dhofar
depression), but are always of a very temporary occurrence. Best indicator
for the latter is, that those lunaites of particular interest due to their
rare subtypes and special properties, remained constant in price and demand.
With Martians all in all we observed raising prices during the last 4 years.
Lunaites.....
well, I'm not Captain Blood, but I wouldn't wonder, if he would recommend in
one of his next Market Trends that it's now the time to buy lunaites and
Martians, cause that they'll get still cheaper one day or ever again seems
not sooo very likely.
At least not, if no 200kg chunk of them will be recovered in a free country.
Best!
Martin
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[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] ImAuftragvon Rob
Matson
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 11. August 2010 09:08
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Betreff: [meteorite-list] Martian vs. Lunar meteorites
Hi Al,
> If you pair up the lunar and martian meteorites, you will only
> find 60 plus specimens that are unique of the lunar material
> and 80 plus of the martian.
I'd like to see a listing of both. By my count (as of a month
or so ago) there were 55 "unpaired" Martian meteorites. Perhaps
some of the mismatch (80+ vs. 55) is due to pairing uncertainties
among three of the large "suspected" Martian pairing groups:
1. DaG 476/489/670/735/876/975/1037/1051/ + at least 3 more
2. NWA 2975/2986/2987/4766/4783/4857/4864/4878/4880/4930/5140/
5214/5219/5313/5366
3. SaU 005/008/051/060/090/094/120/125/130/150/ + at least one more
Depending on who is deciding which meteorites are paired, there
will be variability on how many unique Martian meteorites there
are.
I'd like to take this opportunity to say that NWA 6162 (no known
pairings) is the most impressive of ALL Martian meteorites that
I've seen out of Northwest Africa. It is very fresh, and priced
quite modestly compared to anything comparable, especially
considering its minisculeTKW (89 grams).
--Rob
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