[meteorite-list] Fwd: Re: Fusion Crust on Irons--Not

[cdtucson at cox.net]

> Fred, no problem.see link;
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> http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1990Metik..49..115M
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> Carl
> --
> Carl or Debbie Esparza
> Meteoritemax
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> ---- debfred at att.net wrote: 
> >   Carl, I need some help here. Which one of these elements or minerals is in the silicate group? 
> > Sikhote-Alin is a coarse iron octahedrite. Its composition is as follows: 5.9% nickel, 0.42 % cobalt, 0.46% phosphorus, 0.28% sulfur, smaller amounts of germanium and iridium, and the remainder (approximately 93%) is iron. The following minerals are present: taenite, plessite, rhabites, troilite, chromite, kamacite, and schreibersite crystals. ... 
> > Regards, Fred
> > -------------- Original message ----------------------
> > From: <cdtucson at cox.net>
> > >
> > If I'm not mistaken. The crust shown on Sikhotes may well be a true fusion crust 
> > > because sikhote does contain some silicate minerals  within it.
> > It is the irons without silicates that cannot produce a true fusion crust. And 
> > as Elton said, Nobody has ever shown one of these non-silicate irons with fusion 
> > crust. In fact the two examples shown are the only examples I have ever seen of 
> > any type of iron meteorite with fusion crust, not counting true silicated irons 
> > > of course. 
> > Does anyone have other pictures of any irons with fusion crusts to share? Thanks 
> > > Carl
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> > > Carl or Debbie Esparza
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> > > 
> > > 
> > > ---- ensoramanda at ntlworld.com wrote: 
> > > > Hi Elton,
> > > > 
> > > I think it is that thin coating of magnetite that most folks are calling a 
> > > fusion crust on fresh irons...what else can it be called?
> > > > 
> > > As you say, unfortunately it is quite fragile and on most irons it flakes or 
> > comes off after very little time in our climate, so most of those wonderful 
> > > looking sikhote alins at the shows have actually been cleaned and treated and 
> > > have lost the magnetite 'fusion crust'. I have seen many with remnants which you 
> > > can see still peeling off but rarely in their pristine matt grey original state. 
> > > Also, as you say, those flow lines can be still present mostly underneath when 
> > > the magnetite/crust has gone but are I think much more detailed and sharp when 
> > > the magnetite coating is fresh.
> > > > 
> > > > If you know of a different name/term to call the magnetite coating on fresh 
> > > irons other than fusion crust then I am sure we would all like to know what we 
> > > should call it?
> > > > 
> > > > Regards,
> > > > 
> > > > Graham
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > ---- MEM <mstreman53 at yahoo.com> wrote: 
> > > > > Stopping in a few minutes to state again that all this discussion about 
> > > fusion crust on irons is right next to unicorns postulations.  Everyone says 
> > > that fusion crust on irons exists but no one can come up with the proof. 
> > > Non-silicate bearing irons DO NOT/CANNOT have FUSION crust: they have a very 
> > > fragile magentite micro-crystal "film" and they have an ablation surface but, 
> > > they can't by definition have a "fusion crust" and no matter whom the expert 
> > > quoted they still do not have a fusion crust. A fusion crust has to have a 
> > > silicate source to for the glass component of the crust--  Nada, Nix, No How.  
> > > > > 
> > > > > Both silicate and non-silicate meteorites have an ablated/ablation surface, 
> > > and they can show flight features--but not all meteorites have a fusion crust.  
> > > I have some OCs which have flow lines UNDER the fusion crust remnants.
> > > > > 
> > > > > If anyone still defends the presence of fusion crust on (non-silicate 
> > > bearing) irons then show me the "crust"...can't?..ok show me the glass? ....  
> > > right then-- no photos, no thin sections, no micro graphs???......And while 
> > > there was one close up of an ablated surface showing soft wavy lines of briefly 
> > > melted metal that was aligned to aerodynamic vectors--This does not fusion crust 
> > > make.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Unlike in politics and public opinion, in science, no matter how often an 
> > > untruth is repeated it doesn't become "truth" by majority belief. But science, 
> > > being a human endeavor, sometimes can find itself "off track" and when it does 
> > > it accepts the error and gets back on track.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Elton
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