[meteorite-list] WG: AW: [IMCA] Hammers & Orientation from Dave

[Darryl Pitt]

Hi Walter!

With all respect....

In ANY report---except where there exist the specificity of a coroner  
or scholarly assessment---bomb victims are bomb victims.

There is never differentiation between those killed by blast injury,  
penetrating wounds, blunt trauma or smoke/fire.  In fact the foregoing  
types of injury are correctly referred to as primary, secondary,  
tertiary and miscellaneous BLAST INJURIES.  Primary blast injury is  
specifically a rapid increase in air pressure--a shock wave.

If the bull was killed by a shock wave created by an impact---it was  
killed by the impact.

And that's no bull....

;-)



On Mar 10, 2009, at 10:11 PM, Walter Branch wrote:

> Hello Darryl,
>
>> is a bombing victim killed by a bomb-produced shock
>> wave not killed by the bomb?
>
> No.  They would killed by the shock wave.
>
> If dirt kicked up by a meteorite hits a person, is said meteorite  
> then a "hammer?"  No.
>
> Like all analogies, it eventually breaks down.
>
> It's not the fall that kills you, it's the sudden stop at the end -  
> Douglas Adams.
>
> -Walter Branch
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Darryl Pitt" <darryl at dof3.com>
> To: "Impactika" <impactika at aol.com>
> Cc: <IMCA at imcamail.de>; "Martin Altmann" <altmann at meteorite-martin.de>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 6:57 PM
> Subject: Re: WG: AW: [IMCA] Hammers & Orientation from Dave
>
>
>
> (deep breath)
>
> is a bombing victim killed by a bomb-produced shock wave not killed by
> the bomb?
>
>
>
> hi anne!  ;-)
>
>
> On Mar 10, 2009, at 6:43 PM, Impactika wrote:
>
>> Hello Dave, and all,
>>
>> I submit another example to you:  Carancas, since it has been   
>> discussed on the other List.
>>
>> In my personal opinion, only one fragment of the Carancas  
>> meteorite  would qualify as a hammer: the fragment that hit the  
>> house on the  picture, but it would have to be properly documented,  
>> with proof  that this specific fragment, and not another one, or a  
>> piece of  ejecta, is the actual fragment that damaged this roof.   
>> Any other  fragment is just that: a fragment of the Carancas  
>> meteorite. As for  the animals, they might have been hit by a shock  
>> wave, not by a  fragment of the meteorite.
>>
>> With the same logic, a few of the Park Forest fragments can  
>> qualify  as hammers, I am talking about the actual fragments that  
>> hit cars,  roofs, .... and only those. And again, only with proper  
>> verifiable documentation. All other pieces of Park Forest are just  
>> that: pieces  of the Park Forest meteorite.
>>
>> That still leaves Peekskill and Claxton as hammer meteorites,  
>> since  they are single stones, and witnessed, documented falls.
>>
>> As for me, as a dealer, I will not use the term hammer on my  
>> website unless I have absolute proof and documentation that a  
>> certain  specimen did hit a human, animal, or something man-made  
>> (roads,  trees, fields.... don't count!).
>>
>> But that is my opinion.
>> Any others?
>>
>> Anne Black
>> IMCA - #2356
>>
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 03/10/09 09:16:39 Mountain Daylight Time, altmann at meteorite-martin.de 
>>  writes:
>> Von: dave at fallingrocks.com [mailto:dave at fallingrocks.com]
>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 10. März 2009 15:47
>> An: Martin Altmann
>> Betreff: RE: AW: [IMCA] Hammers & Orientation
>>
>> Hi, Martin,
>>
>> Please forward this quick note back to the IMCA list; I'm on a web  
>> interface and can't respond to the list from here...thanks:
>>
>> . . . . . . . . . . .
>> The problem, at least in my view, with hammers is the fact that  
>> they  are most appreciated by the least meteorite-savvy buyers.   
>> These  newbie collectors are most exposed to paying a ridiculous  
>> price  because a piece of, say, Thuathe was found in the roof of a  
>> hut --  yet the piece they're contemplating purchase around was  
>> picked up in  a field two miles away. Thuathe might not be the best  
>> example, as  it's a killer meteorite in its own right.  Your  
>> example of Gao- Guenie, though by no means reflected in market  
>> pricing (yet,  anyway), might be better.
>>
>> . . . . . . . . . . .
>> Dave
>>
>> IMCA #5967
>>
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>>
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