[meteorite-list] WG: AW: [IMCA] Hammers & Orientation from Dave

[Walter Branch]

Hello Darryl,

>is a bombing victim killed by a bomb-produced shock
> wave not killed by the bomb?

No.  They would killed by the shock wave.

If dirt kicked up by a meteorite hits a person, is said meteorite then a 
"hammer?"  No.

Like all analogies, it eventually breaks down.

It's not the fall that kills you, it's the sudden stop at the end - Douglas 
Adams.

-Walter Branch

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Darryl Pitt" <darryl at dof3.com>
To: "Impactika" <impactika at aol.com>
Cc: <IMCA at imcamail.de>; "Martin Altmann" <altmann at meteorite-martin.de>
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 6:57 PM
Subject: Re: WG: AW: [IMCA] Hammers & Orientation from Dave



(deep breath)

is a bombing victim killed by a bomb-produced shock wave not killed by
the bomb?



hi anne!  ;-)


On Mar 10, 2009, at 6:43 PM, Impactika wrote:

> Hello Dave, and all,
>
> I submit another example to you:  Carancas, since it has been  discussed 
> on the other List.
>
> In my personal opinion, only one fragment of the Carancas meteorite  would 
> qualify as a hammer: the fragment that hit the house on the  picture, but 
> it would have to be properly documented, with proof  that this specific 
> fragment, and not another one, or a piece of  ejecta, is the actual 
> fragment that damaged this roof.  Any other  fragment is just that: a 
> fragment of the Carancas meteorite. As for  the animals, they might have 
> been hit by a shock wave, not by a  fragment of the meteorite.
>
> With the same logic, a few of the Park Forest fragments can qualify  as 
> hammers, I am talking about the actual fragments that hit cars,  roofs, 
> .... and only those. And again, only with proper verifiable 
> documentation. All other pieces of Park Forest are just that: pieces  of 
> the Park Forest meteorite.
>
> That still leaves Peekskill and Claxton as hammer meteorites, since  they 
> are single stones, and witnessed, documented falls.
>
> As for me, as a dealer, I will not use the term hammer on my website 
> unless I have absolute proof and documentation that a certain  specimen 
> did hit a human, animal, or something man-made (roads,  trees, fields.... 
> don't count!).
>
> But that is my opinion.
> Any others?
>
> Anne Black
> IMCA - #2356
>
>
>
> In a message dated 03/10/09 09:16:39 Mountain Daylight Time, 
> altmann at meteorite-martin.de writes:
> Von: dave at fallingrocks.com [mailto:dave at fallingrocks.com]
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 10. März 2009 15:47
> An: Martin Altmann
> Betreff: RE: AW: [IMCA] Hammers & Orientation
>
> Hi, Martin,
>
> Please forward this quick note back to the IMCA list; I'm on a web 
> interface and can't respond to the list from here...thanks:
>
> . . . . . . . . . . .
> The problem, at least in my view, with hammers is the fact that they  are 
> most appreciated by the least meteorite-savvy buyers.  These  newbie 
> collectors are most exposed to paying a ridiculous price  because a piece 
> of, say, Thuathe was found in the roof of a hut --  yet the piece they're 
> contemplating purchase around was picked up in  a field two miles away. 
> Thuathe might not be the best example, as  it's a killer meteorite in its 
> own right.  Your example of Gao- Guenie, though by no means reflected in 
> market pricing (yet,  anyway), might be better.
>
> . . . . . . . . . . .
> Dave
>
> IMCA #5967
>
> www.fallingrocks.com
>
>
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