[meteorite-list] Alien Contact Predicted

[Becky and Kirk]

Blah blah blah---OK---we agree to disagree! No one knows for sure 
but----simple life probably started as a soup on Earth made from carbon and 
amino acids being brought here by comets, asteroids & meteors.

The rest is the handi-work of progressive evolution, Earth energies 
(lightning) and the Divine!
That is what I believe! Try to prove differently! Also---no one knows the 
truth about the singularity or what existed before the BIG BANG.  Do you? 
Open your mind man!
Kirk........

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Phil Whitmer" <prairiecactus at rtcol.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 9:40 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Alien Contact Predicted


> The Drake Equation is a prime example of mental masuturbation. It proves 
> absolutely nothing. How can an equation prove anything when none of the 
> variables are known with any certainity? As Rob points out, one zero 
> nullifies the whole silly thing.   How about Ne; the number of known Earth 
> like planets supporting life=0.  If you want dumb equations, the 
> creationists have a bunch of them that proves there is exactly one planet 
> that supports life.  I can make up an equation that proves the existence 
> of mermaids, bigfoot, Nessie, unicorns, dragons, what imaginary being do 
> you want to believe in? I'll write a formula to prove it's existence. I'll 
> be easy, because I already know that life begets life. The Drake Equation 
> misses the key concept in the alien debate; mainly how does abiogenesis 
> occur? How does non living matter become alive? Once we figure out the 
> mechanics of this most basic problem, then we can extrapolate about 
> whether this seemingly miraculous event could happen more than once. If 
> you're going to believe in spontaneous generation on other planets, you 
> had better understand how it happened here first. Someone has to explain 
> to me how those left handed isomer amino acids from meteorites organized 
> themselves into living, self replicating DNA. (See this thread is related 
> to meteorites!)
>
> Crichton summed it up best at a lecture at Caltech :
> The problem, of course, is that none of the terms can be known, and most 
> cannot even be estimated. The only way to work the equation is to fill in 
> with guesses. [...] As a result, the Drake equation can have any value 
> from "billions and billions" to zero. An expression that can mean anything 
> means nothing. Speaking precisely, the Drake equation is literally 
> meaningless...
>
> And puhleez, don't give me that stupid absence of evidence argument, it 
> didn't hold water when Rumsfeld used it for imaginary WMDs, and it doesn't 
> justify the belief in phantasmagorical alien creatures.
>
> Mental masturbation is fun, but don't confuse it with real science!
>
>>From the Urban Dictionary:
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> Mental masturbation:
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> 1. The act of engaging in useless yet intellectually stimulating 
> conversation, usually as an excuse to avoid taking constructive action in 
> your life.
>
> 2. The act of engaging in intelligent and interesting conversation purely 
> for the enjoyment of your own greatness and individuality. Subjects range 
> from obscure lp's to cultural movements in preindustrial societies. Either 
> delivered through grand monlogues or subtle conversation orientation, it 
> links large words and random references resulting in nothing acually being 
> communicated.
>
> 3. Overly intensive self gratifying procrastination, thought and 
> contemplation for a subject not necessarily warranting such effort.
>
>
> 4.  The pretense of superior knowledge or intelligence by claiming 
> conjecture, theory, feeling or opinion as fact.
>
> 5. The act of engaging in impractical/nonproductive mental exercise / 
> thinkings / writings / etc., through which a practitioner only comforts 
> oneself mentally. Such acts don't lead to any constructive results what so 
> ever in the real world; some might even imagine oneself being transformed 
> into superman, or simply the opposite sex, etc.
> In short, it's just bs/crap.
>
> Phil Whitmer
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