[meteorite-list] Re The SkyRock Cafe

Thu Feb 21 15:46:44 EST 2008

meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com

--- dave at fallingrocks.com wrote:

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All & Dr. Phil,

You have to draw the line somewhere, and it is here:
this is my last response to this mess...period.

Michael, simply put, you are wrong.  And I have not
offered an apology for "trolling" as that is not what
I was doing when I asked him a simple question
(completely off line); nor will one be forthcoming.  I
get the question "what's makes your company different
from all the rest?" at least weekly in running my
business, and the reason that I get it is that it is a
good and open-ended question.  Running this business
would be very easy if I assumed negativity, got
defensive and attacked everyone who asked it, as we
would have no customers or vendors to deal with.  Good
grief...

The downside to a forum structure is that some people
will abuse it either by taking their own personal
frustrations out on the rest of the group or by
relieving their own insecurities by lecturing the
group with diatribes that tend to start off with "As
someone with lots of experience..."

Over and out,

Dave

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [meteorite-list] Re The SkyRock Cafe
From: Michael Gilmer <michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, February 21, 2008 11:42 am
To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com

Hi List,

As someone with lots of experience moderating online
discussions (3 years at Cloudy Nights, and several
years combined moderating no less than 4 Yahoo groups
and 3 other smaller online forums) - I have seen
disagreements arise like this many times. 

The original question that provoked Joe's response
was a "troll" - pure and simple. I have seen a few
trolls like this in my time - innocently worded 
statements with a definite implied meaning behind
them. This troll was expertly done and many readers
would casually overlook the veiled nature of the post.

I have to deal with so many types of people who
engage in borderline behavior to slip under the
radar of the moderators - that I have an eye for it.

This exchange we are here discussing is a classic
example of a troll and a flame response, followed by
much discussion of what really happened and who is
to blame. Well, both parties are to blame, nobody is
innocent, and no real damage was done. 

I'd much rather, in a perfect world, have everyone get
along with each other. But let's not make a mountain
out of a molehill here. Trolls will make their
statements and then sit back innocently with a halo
perched above their head, wondering what they did to
provoke such an unwarranted response - when they know
full well what was coming in response to their troll.
And people will take the bait and say things they 
shouldn't and regret it later - like Joe did. We all
have bad days and lives outside of meteorites that
can be stressful sometimes. 

Skyrock Cafe is a great list with some intelligent
and fun people on it - it is a compliment to the
Meteorite List, not a replacement or competition.

This whole matter is being blown out of proportion.
Joe has done the right thing and apologized for his
"tirade". I don't hear the original poster
apologizing
for engaging in trolling. So we probably won't hear
any such apology and that person will sit there with
a halo and continue to wonder "What did little ole
me start, my gracious, I never meant to do that!".

This list is too good to be dragged down with
distractions such as this. Let's bury it and move
on to talk about meteorites and meteoritics. :)

Regards and meteorites!

MikeG

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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 19:22:41 -0600
From: "Joe Kerchner" <illinoismeteorites at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fwd: The SkyRock Cafe
To: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
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On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 5:40 PM, Darryl Pitt
<darryl at dof3.com> wrote:
>
>
> candidly, the fellow clearly has significant
psychological/emotional
> issues. thought the worst and framed it
respectfully---despite his
> having been vile. he will not change,dave; he's
fully baked---just
> don't engage with him again. best/d

Darryl, Dave List,
By me defending my forum and over reacting to a
negative comment.
You(Mr. Pitt) come to the conclusion that I have
significant
psychological/emotional issues?I was not aware that
Dave's message was
private, I thought it was post for the entire list to
read, which is
the same reason I posted it to the list. I really am
not a person who
agues with people all the time or a spaz. I do not
understand how, by
my message alone That I am unstable and am in need of
psychological
help. When I wrote that reply. I was in a terrible
mood, I was having
w very bad day, I was not in my normal frame of mind.
I am person who
tries to avoid conflict.
I really do not know how this got soo blown
out of proportion.
How can you say I will not change? I do not understand
how this got
soo out of hand. I merely spoke my mind about a person
who was
belittling the SkyRock Cafe which I have put much time
and money into,
so that all meteorite collectors and hunters will have
a place to
share photos and stories, also to get a question
answered. I analogize
to Dave for over reacting and calling him names, but I
do not
understand how Darryl Pitt hats the right to say I
have significant
psychological/emotional issues. That bothers me. How
can they think I
have problem, simply because I was defending My forum,
I never said
anything about Mr. Pitt and he attacks me. I do not
know what that
proves, but it does show his true colors. I want no
problems and I
hope that this does not keep people away from the
SkyRock Cafe, it is
a great place no matter what goes on here, there is
not arguing, no
egos, not beef between members. So I hope that
everyone can put this
behind them and check out the SkyRock at give us a
chance, if you do
not like it you do not ever have to go there ever
again, but You
should just give us a quick look over, I think you
will find it to be
a friendly and full of information and people ready to
help you with
all of you questions.

Best Wishes,
Joe Kerchner
http://illinoismeteorites.com
http://skyrockcafe.com
http://illinoismeteorites.com/yabb/YaBB.pl

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