[meteorite-list] pronouncing "Ensisheim"

[Zelimir Gabelica]

Hi Anne, Larry, all

I'll try to help in pronouncing "Ensisheim".

As you said, Anne, Alsace (Ensisheim) changed nationality many times during 
the modern era (for details, I urge you to read and re-read the nice book 
of Philippe Thomas and Lea Dejouy "Histoire de Météorites", part 1: 
"Ensisheim" (2005, 184 pp, euro 26.40, discounted on "Meteoritica" web site).

Basically, people here still use to speak "Alsacian" (which is considered 
as a language, thus more than a dialect). It is close to German (or Swiss 
German) and the pronounciation of "Ensisheim" is the same in both 
languages, something as "Enn-Siss-Haym".
But the Alsace region is now in France where French is the only official 
language.
French rather pronounce "Enn-Siss-Heym" (close but different at the end).

I'll be glad to read how it is actually pronounced in other foreign 
languages (Dirk ?)

This being, if I can help anybody in trying to "write" how to pronounce 
other names of French meteorites, I can try.
Just ask.
The weirdest name to pronounce correctly in English seems to be "Orgueil".
I even can't find how to write the end part, as this is the tricky one (but 
I can consult experts in writing phonetic pronounciations).
I am however voulonteering to give particular pronounciation lessons next 
June during the Ensisheim show (for which I just sent you many details a 
few minutes ago).

Best wishes,

Zelimir



A 16:08 24/04/2008 -0400, Impactika at aol.com a écrit :
>Hello Larry and List,
>
>Obviously, you are talking about the Ensisheim Show, and I pronince the  name
>the way that looks most likely to me, something like En-zi-sheim. But mybe
>you should ask the local people since yes, the area has changed nationality
>repeatedly thru the centuries. Maybe Zelimir can help.
>
>But I can help you with Orgueil, or L'Aigle.
>And many names are easy to pronounce if you break them down, something  like:
>Mill-bill-hill-lie.or Ta-fa-ssa-sset.
>Nothing to it!!!
>
>BTW: Anyone of you in the Denver area this weekend?  we have a nice,
>relatively important Show at the Holiday Inn. Go here for details:
>_http://www.mzexpos.com/colorado_spring.htm_ 
>(http://www.mzexpos.com/colorado_spring.htm)
>
>See you there, maybe.
>
>Anne M. Black
>_www.IMPACTIKA.com_ (http://www.IMPACTIKA.com)
>_IMPACTIKA at aol.com_ (mailto:IMPACTIKA at aol.com)
>Vice-President of IMCA Inc.
>_www.IMCA.cc_ (http://www.IMCA.cc)
>
>
>
>
>In a message dated 4/23/2008 9:38:27 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
>lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu writes:
>Hi all:
>
>Sounds like a new Meteorite  magazine column to me!
>
>Could be done alphabetically or by country (would  need volunteers from the
>countries involved [regional for USA?] or people who  speak the language).
>
>Anyone want to volunteer to do it/oversee it? Start  it off? Anyone, anyone?
>
>By the way, off line I got this suggestion (sort  of) from Anne Black and
>my question to her is:
>
>There is a Gem and  Mineral show the occurs every year during the summer,
>in Eastern France,  where a meteorite was seen to fall (over 500 years
>ago). How is it  pronounced? I bring this up since someone today mentioned
>asking Anne how to  pronounce French meteorites and, in Anne's room at the
>Tucson show, I heard  two different pronunciations of this show/meteorite
>from two people who spoke  with French accents! Yes Anne, you still have an
>accent!
>
>In this case,  does it have to do with the fact that it is near a
>German-speaking  country?
>
>Larry
>
>Co-Editor, Meteorite magazine
>
>
>
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Prof. Zelimir Gabelica
Université de Haute Alsace
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