[meteorite-list] nice gao specimens only

Tue Mar 27 12:14:30 EDT 2007

Dear List,  Sorry this was meant for the List as well
as Dougao.
> 
> Dear Dougao and List,
>    Doug you asked a very interesting question.  Many
> Gaos (NOT ALL) have been cleaned by using an air
> abrasion tool. Some even have been painted a nice
> shade of black using charcoal grill paint  and
> others
> painted with an airbrush.
>    I cannot comment on Steve`s collection as I have
> not seen them personally.  I agree with you Doug
> that
> the meteorite should not be tampered with by
> cleaning;
> but this is my/our personal preference and NOT what
> sells.  Most customers want new-looking black fusion
> crust IF at all possible.  I agree with Doug that
> Steve should add a naturally aged Gao IF he truly
> wants to represent Gao in his collection.
>   Good job Steve; and thanks Doug for your
> comments!!!
> 
> Sincerely, Dirk Ross...Tokyo
> 
> 
> --- MexicoDoug <MexicoDoug at aim.com> wrote:
> 
> > Hi Steve and List,
> > 
> > I just had a little fun browsing around your
> > Gao-Guenie collection pages.
> > It was quite enjoyable and I wanted you to know
> that
> > your efforts to put
> > together the web pages are appreciated.  My
> favorite
> > photo is of the 137.5
> > gram specimen.
> > 
> > I do have one comment where I am in disagreement -
> > apparently with most of
> > the collecting community.  That would your
> > preference to buy them only
> > "cleaned".  Not having the experience with the
> > Gao-Guenie you have, I
> > wouldn't know how they are being "cleaned".  (And
> > would like to know the
> > whole Geschichte on "HOW NOW BROWN GAO?")  But it
> > doesn't look like it is
> > with a superficial passing of a clean rag.  While
> > scientifically cleaning is
> > generally a "no-no", in the case of Gao-Guenie, I
> > doubt this is really very
> > crucial as there must be over a ton of this
> > meteorite to go around and study
> > for those so inclined.  But this is not an Iron
> > meteorite where cleaning can
> > actually be important for the preservation  - as
> you
> > mentioned, it is simply
> > an H5 stony chondrite.
> > 
> > As the world's major Buyer of Gao-Guenie, you
> > actually are influencing the
> > major sources then to clean their specimens.  May
> I
> > suggest you add
> > uncleaned stones to your Gao Museum as well, for
> > those of us who enjoy
> > gawking at your world class acquisitions, there is
> > something missing when we
> > can only see artificially spiffed up crust
> > everywhere when we also love to
> > see the meteorites more as they are found in-situ.
> 
> > I personally think your
> > collection comes up short because it is missing a
> > nice, large Gao-Guenie
> > recently found with killer orientation
> > characteristics visible.
> > 
> > True, when they originally fell, they were rather
> > dark crusted, but the
> > stones on your page, in some cases look even
> darker
> > than the natural fresh
> > fusion crust color and like some NWA's that have
> > artificially sandblasted
> > black crusts.  As I mentioned, there is enough
> > Gao-Guenie to go around so
> > there is room for both cleaned and uncleaned
> > specimens.  But why should we
> > rub all of our meteorites with generic Botox and
> not
> > see them for the
> > beauties they naturally are and the way the occur
> at
> > the locality?  As a
> > collector I think careless cleaning reminds us of
> > the the guy who finds a
> > cache of ancient coins and  scrubs them down with
> a
> > wire brush so they
> > glitter more than the original metal ever did. 
> Can
> > you imagine Bob Haag
> > having scrubbed the Adamana Stone down to black? 
> I
> > am sure some of the
> > detail in the delicate flow patterns would have
> been
> > forever lost.
> > 
> > Let's put some scientific "Witnessed" back in the
> > fall before seeing how the
> > witness falls upon examination.  That is my
> opinion
> > on your fantastic
> > collection of photos of Gao.  I have a small,
> > natural "unclean" Gao-Guenie
> > specimen that is fully crusted, but it is clearly
> > out of the major league,
> > so I won't bother posting it to save face and not
> > being laughed off the
> > list.  Nice job - I hope you consider my comments
> > and discuss your opinion,
> > highly valued by dealers, regarding cleaning your
> > Gaos.
> > 
> > Best Health and Great Health,
> > Dougao
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "steve arnold" <stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com>
> > To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 7:03 AM
> > Subject: [meteorite-list] nice gao specimens only
> > 
> > 
> > > Hi dirk,ryan and list.No ryan I am not hording
> gao
> > to
> > > up the price per gram.LOL!!And dirk is
> right.Even
> > > though he said he had 20 kilo's of nice gao,I
> > would
> > > not buy it.Because at this time I could not
> afford
> > it
> > > all at once.I am buying nice pieces a few
> speimens
> > at
> > > a time.Also ryan if you noticed,I am only buying
> > 95%
> > > or fusion crusted pieces.NO FRAGMENTS.NO
> > SLICES!Only
> > > really nicely cleaned pieces that look really
> well
> > in
> > > a collection.I also did not think dirk would
> sell
> > his
> > > anyway.He is to sly for that.And right now for
> me
> > gao
> > > is very affordable.And trust me ryan.I KNOW
> THERE
> > ARE
> > > MANY NICE METEORITES ARE OUT THERE.It also makes
> > > knowing that you mostly onlt spending your money
> > on 1
> > > type.You then do not have to worry about,do you
> > have
> > > this one,I really need to find this
> > one,etc.,etc.Also
> > > for an H5 major witness fall,it is a very nice
> > stone
> > > to collect.Any more thoughts about this great
> > stone?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > steve arnold
> > >
> > > Steve R.Arnold,chicago,Ill,Usa!!
> > >   Collecting Meteorites since 06/19/1999!!
> > >   www.chicagometeorites.net
> > >   Ebay I.D. Illinoismeteorites
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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