[meteorite-list] Sweet-and-sour Pepper Mammoth experiment

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Jerry
Be careful what you believe. They give NO concentrations, but just use the word "anomalous." Which means about nothing.
Matt
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-----Original Message-----
From: "Jerry" <grf2 at verizon.net>

Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 19:24:35 
To:"tracy latimer" <daistiho at hotmail.com>,<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Sweet-and-sour Pepper Mammoth experiment


I am curious about the chemical composition of the iron pellets found in the 
bones.  Traces of iridium would go a long way towards establishing an 
extraterrestrial origin for the iron.

Tracy and List, if you've been reading ALL of the information, Ir. is found 
throughout the NA continent about the same 13,000Time Layer [not that the 
tusks and skull fit that era]. Ir does not have to be in the Fe/Ni. Any for 
instance in SA's, Canyon Diablo, or any irons?? None that I've heard.

Jerry Flaherty
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From: "tracy latimer" <daistiho at hotmail.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 6:01 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Sweet-and-sour Pepper Mammoth experiment




Can the same results be replicated in the lab?  Let's get a pile of bones 
(mammoth ivory is too expensive and cow bones would probably do just as 
well, since the same scarring was observed on a bison skull) and do some 
tests.  Heat up some coarse iron shavings and introduce them to the bones at 
various velocities and temperatures, a.k.a. use a airgun to fire red-hot 
millings at the bones, or simply sift them onto the bones.  If we can 
reproduce the peppering effect, we have established that a. human agencies 
can do it, even accidentally (not saying they DID, just that they CAN), and 
b. the iron particles didn't need to be the result of cosmic velocities.

I am curious about the chemical composition of the iron pellets found in the 
bones.  Traces of iridium would go a long way towards establishing an 
extraterrestrial origin for the iron.

E.P says:
> You know, its strange to me. Most here are focused on
> this "smaller" iron impact and the peppered tusks,
> instead of on the comet impact which killed about 90%
> of the people living in North America at the time.
> Most died due to hunger. But then, there's not likely
> to be any strewn field from that, and nothing to trade
> except impactites.

Jason says:
Right...if one believes in such an impact, I'm sure they take it into 
account.
Your impact would require the creation of a probably 10-20 mile
diameter crater, which doesn't seem to exist...the fact is that we've
found craters 1-2 miles across that are millions of years old, and yet
we haven't found this < 100,000 year old monster of a hole in the
ground. Such a crater would be a sore thumb, with impactite strewn
about for hundreds of miles, not to mention the hole itself,
undoubtedly little eroded since its fairly recent formation.
Where did you say it was again?

There are a couple scenarios where a good-size impactor could strike and 
leave no crater, but create havoc.  One is if it made a water strike close 
to a coastline, and another is if it struck an ice sheet, like a glacier, 
which subsequently melted.  Are there any tsunami deposits of the 
appropriate age on either coast?  I'm not sure if a strike on a glacier 
would scar the land underneath, especially if the glacier ground and washed 
away the evidence.


Recipe for Mammoth Stew:

1 mammoth

Vegetables

2 rabbits (optional)

Dice the mammoth.  Brown in a large stew pot; add water to cover and simmer. 
After cooking for 2 days, add vegetables, also diced, and simmer an 
additional hour.  Serve hot.  If extra people are expected, you may 
optionally add a couple of rabbits, but many people do not like to find hare 
in their stew. :)


Tracy Latimer

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