[meteorite-list] LOCATION of a hammer

[E.P. Grondine]

Hi Sterling - 

As I remember it now, and this is after my stroke - 

What happened was that cheap grain imports from Africa
ruined the land owning farmers around Rome.  This led
to continuing "turbulence" - the socii being but one
of the later examples of these stuggles. These started
shortly after the defeat of Carthage, and the
beginning of the North African grain.

What I think we're looking for is some temple
celebrating Pompeius Strabo's defeat, something built
later on. It's possible the meteorite was mentioned as
a baetyl, or that it was later lost due to neglect -
after a few centuries, no one cared anymore...

I've had a stroke, damn it, so if its going to get
done it up to someone else now - 

Ed








--- "Sterling K. Webb" <sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net>
wrote:

> Hi, Ed,
> 
>     The bottom line is that these battles are merely
> the conduct of politics by military means, quarrels
> between powerful men. The end of the Social War
> is the beginning of the "Civil War." Fifty-eight
> years 
> of tussling for power lie ahead. At this point, it
> is 
> merely over immediate and temporary power in a 
> limited Republican government. 
>     In such tussles, the victors and the vanquished
> are all Romans. "Victories" are the victories of the
> State over other powers, states, cities, and
> peoples,
> not family feuds inside the State.
>     With the changeover to Caesarian government,
> all that changes, and Augustus will build temples
> to his victories over other Romans unenlightened
> enough to not see things his way. (And eventually
> he will permit temples to himself to be built as
> well.)
> But at this point in time, a Nike (Victoria) Temple
> commemorating the death of Romans at the hands
> of other Romans was UNTHINKABLE.
>     Starting in 88 BC, Rome has 58 years of Civil
> War (with 21 tense non-fighting truce years
> scattered
> through there). If you compare that to the duration
> of the US Civil War, you can see that the Romans
> must have been thoroughly sick of what their system
> of government had brought them to.
>     When Augustus consolidates the administration 
> of the State in his own offices (and those of his 
> successors), 98 years without civil war or serious 
> strife follows, a century of Peace, Prosperity, and 
> Economic Growth like any politician would die for. 
> It became legendary as the Pax (Peace) Augusti, and
> eventually the Pax Romana.
>     That next "Civil War," almost a century later,
> results 
> from confusion over the succession and lasts less 
> than a year; it's probably a misnomer to call it a
> civil 
> war at all, as similar short disputes over who's in
> charge 
> are a feature of Imperial history for centuries
> afterward.
> It's like, everybody goes to the mattresses for a
> while
> until one Capo gets a hit on the other, ya know? 
> :=)
> 
> 
> Sterling K. Webb
>
-----------------------------------------------------------------
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "E.P. Grondine" <epgrondine at yahoo.com>
> To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 12:31 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] LOCATION of a hammer
> 
> 
> Sterling - 
> 
> Hmmm. Died of plague and impact at the same time?
> Confusing - I wonder their source.
> 
> My assumption is that some kind of victory temple
> would have been built, most likely with an
> astronomical theme. Do you have any possibilites?
> 
> good huntin,
> Ed
> 
> --- "Sterling K. Webb"
> <sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net>
> wrote:
> 
> > Hi, Ed, List,
> > 
> >     Where was Pompeius Strabo when he died?
> >     Pretty sure it was in the immediate vicinity
> of
> > Rome itself, outside the walls and within, say 20
> > Roman miles and probably 10...
> >     Says the Wiki: "Strabo had the habit of
> playing both 
> > ends against the middle in the intense politics of
> the period. 
> > "Strabo, whose duty [to Sulla] it was to defend
> Rome 
> > against Cinna and  Marius, negotiates with Cinna,
> but dies... 
> > 
> > Sterling K. Webb
> >
>
---------------------------------------------------------------
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "E.P. Grondine" <epgrondine at yahoo.com>
> > To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 2:16 PM
> > Subject: [meteorite-list] In search of a hammer
> > 
> > 
> > Well, Sterling, 
> > 
> > There was a difference between haruspicy and
> > astromancy. How and when they became "secret" is
> the
> > issue at hand. Were they already "mysterious" at
> the
> > time of the founding of the Empire?  Or did they 
> > become "secret" with the founding of the college?
> > 
> > For the problem at hand, the important information
> > is
> > where that army was when it was hit. Any ideas on
> > that?
> > 
> > good hunting,
> > Ed
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 


__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around 
http://mail.yahoo.com