[meteorite-list] AD - New Rare EL3 Paleo-Meteorite - NWA 2828

joseph_town at att.net joseph_town at att.net
Thu Sep 7 19:56:54 EDT 2006 

When I hear the word Paleo, this is what comes to mind.

http://www.archaeolink.com/paleoanthropology_index.htm

This discussion is heading in the same direction as the Pluto problem. Word semantics overruling reality.

Bill


 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Michael L Blood <mlblood at cox.net>
> Hi Doug and all,
>         Unless I am mistaken "Paleo" is Greek for "ancient." (Scientists
> are particularly fond of Greek and Latin) While all meteorites are
> ancient, Paleo meteorite, meaning one that has been subjected to the
> earth's atmosphere for millions of years, would seem to be an appropriate
> use of terminology.
>         Best wishes, Michael
> 
> on 9/7/06 9:52 AM, MexicoDoug at MexicoDoug at aim.com wrote:
> 
> > Hello Greg and Listees,
> > 
> > There are a few posters and other scientific references that google up for
> > "paleometeorite".  I liked your rationale given, though I have this question
> > based on your explanation:
> > 
> > All meteorites are ancient and to our knowledge a record of the early
> > formation of the Solar System, but the word "fossil" implies some sort of
> > mineralogical replacement processes occurring afterwards.  Does Paleo-
> > include this, or simply say it is ancient?  As for the fossil meteorite and
> > fossils in meteorites, another descriptor like "relict" would be more
> > appropriate if you want to be true to geology jargon.  Relict implies that
> > some of the original character remains, though mineral replacement has also
> > occurred - but it is quite recognizable.  Paleo- to me reminds me of the
> > likes Peking man!
> > 
> > Just a thought, and you can call it paleo all you want since you're doing
> > the work (saw your name was on the poster at the LPI meeting, congrats),
> > 
> > Best wishes, Doug
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Greg Hupe" <gmhupe at tampabay.rr.com>
> > To: "Jeff Grossman" <jgrossman at usgs.gov>
> > Cc: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 10:47 AM
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD - New Rare EL3 Paleo-Meteorite - NWA 2828
> > 
> > 
> >> Dear Jeff and other NWA 2828 EL3 enthusiasts,
> >> 
> >> paleo-meteorite or "fossil" meteorite? That is the question...
> >> 
> >> In a short conversation with one of the lead scientists who have and are
> >> studying NWA 2828 and the other recent enstatite meteorites, they referred
> >> to 2828 as a paleo-meteorite instead of "fossil" meteorite so people would
> >> not think they referred to ancient life being found in it. The term
> > "fossil"
> >> meteorite has been used to describe several ancient meteorites that were
> >> found in rocks or sediments; a 480 million year old quarried Swedish
> >> limestone, a meteorite found in a drillcore through the impact melt sheet
> > of
> >> the 145 million year old Morokweng Crater, to name a couple. The word
> > fossil
> >> in geology has the strong connotation as evidence of life but literally
> >> means "dug up". The prefix paleo- means ancient, so a paleo-meteorite
> > would
> >> be an ancient meteorite. That term does not necessarily mean that it was
> >> excavated nor does it say how old it is, but sedimentary processes on
> > earth
> >> tend to bury objects on the surface after tens to hundreds of thousands of
> >> years. It definitely was transported and abraded by water flow, then
> > buried
> >> and cemented into a terrestrial conglomerate and then dug up. In short,
> > the
> >> best way to describe NWA 2828 is either "fossil" meteorite or
> >> paleo-meteorite but has nothing to do with ancient life. Terrestrial age
> >> dating is currently being performed and a new abstract has been submitted.
> >> 
> >> I hope this answers some of the questions this "new" and exciting
> > meteorite
> >> has brought up.
> >> 
> >> Best regards,
> >> Greg
> >> P.S. I loaded several more slices of NWA 2828 if anyone wants to have a
> >> look.
> >> 
> >> ====================
> >> Greg Hupe
> >> The Hupe Collection
> >> NaturesVault (eBay)
> >> gmhupe at tampabay.rr.com
> >> IMCA 3163
> >> ====================
> >> 
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Jeff Grossman" <jgrossman at usgs.gov>
> >> To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> >> Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 6:33 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD - New Rare EL3 Paleo-Meteorite - NWA 2828
> >> 
> >> 
> >>> What the heck is a "paleometeorite", how is it different from a fossil
> >>> meteorite, and why is NWA 2828 called this?
> >>> 
> >>> jeff
> >>> 
> >>> At 01:33 PM 9/5/2006, Greg Hupe wrote:
> >>>> Dear List Members,
> >>>> 
> >>>> I am pleased to announce a new and very rare EL3 Paleo-Meteorite. It is
> >>>> NWA 2828 and was originally thought to be an aubrite but after
> > additional
> >>>> material was cut and analyzed at the University of Washington and NAU, a
> >>>> few radial pyroxene chondrules were discovered. EL3's are even rarer
> > than
> >>>> aubrites so the re-classification turned out to a pleasant surprise.
> > What
> >>>> is interesting about NWA 2828 is the very low count of chondrules
> >>>> throughout the individual stones, less than 1%! It has taken nearly a
> > year
> >>>> of hard work by myself and the scientists to get this properly
> > classified
> >>>> so if you are interested, purchase your EL3 material from the official
> >>>> source for NWA 2828 where you know you will get a great deal and the
> > right
> >>>> meteorite.
> >>>> 
> >>>> I have loaded 36 slices, end cuts and individuals on eBay under my
> > seller
> >>>> name, NaturesVault. Here are the direct links to these very low
> >>>> introductory-priced specimens:
> >>>> 
> >>>> NWA 2828 EL3 Meteorite Specimens:
> >>>> Slices
> >> 
> >>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=008&item=180025470628&rd=
> > 1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1
> >> 
> >>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=008&item=180025471089&rd=
> > 1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1
> >> 
> >>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=008&item=180025471402&rd=
> > 1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1
> >> 
> >>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=008&item=180025471681&rd=
> > 1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1
> >> 
> >>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=008&item=180025471942&rd=
> > 1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1
> >> 
> >>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=008&item=180025472178&rd=
> > 1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1
> >> 
> >>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=008&item=180025472471&rd=
> > 1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1
> >> 
> >>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=008&item=180025472747&rd=
> > 1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1
> >> 
> >>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=008&item=180025472988&rd=
> > 1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1
> >>>> End Cuts
> >> 
> >>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=008&item=180025473352&rd=
> > 1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1
> >> 
> >>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=008&item=180025473778&rd=
> > 1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1
> >> 
> >>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=008&item=180025474093&rd=
> > 1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1
> >> 
> >>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=008&item=180025474474&rd=
> > 1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1
> >> 
> >>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=008&item=180025474758&rd=
> > 1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1
> >> 
> >>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=008&item=180025475050&rd=
> > 1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1
> >> 
> >>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=008&item=180025475332&rd=
> > 1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1
> >> 
> >>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=008&item=180025475564&rd=
> > 1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1
> >> 
> >>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=008&item=180025475814&rd=
> > 1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1
> >>>> Individuals
> >> 
> >>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=008&item=180025476678&rd=
> > 1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1
> >> 
> >>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=008&item=180025477096&rd=
> > 1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1
> >> 
> >>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=008&item=180025477462&rd=
> > 1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1
> >> 
> >>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=008&item=180025478334&rd=
> > 1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1
> >> 
> >>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=008&item=180025478736&rd=
> > 1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1
> >> 
> >>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=008&item=180025479083&rd=
> > 1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1
> >> 
> >>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=008&item=180025479418&rd=
> > 1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1
> >> 
> >>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=008&item=180025479707&rd=
> > 1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1
> >> 
> >>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=008&item=180025480013&rd=
> > 1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1
> >> 
> >>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=008&item=180025480437&rd=
> > 1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1
> >> 
> >>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=008&item=180025480707&rd=
> > 1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1
> >> 
> >>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=008&item=180025481184&rd=
> > 1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1
> >> 
> >>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=008&item=180025481508&rd=
> > 1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1
> >> 
> >>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=008&item=180025481910&rd=
> > 1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1
> >> 
> >>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=008&item=180025486868&rd=
> > 1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1
> >> 
> >>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=008&item=180025487249&rd=
> > 1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1
> >> 
> >>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=008&item=180025487606&rd=
> > 1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1
> >> 
> >>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=008&item=180025487961&rd=
> > 1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1
> >>>> 
> >>>> In addition to these great deals, I have a number of excellent auctions
> >>>> ending tomorrow and Thursday. Be sure to check then out as many are
> > still
> >>>> at just 99 cents.
> >>>> 
> >>>> Best regards and Thank You for looking and/or bidding, I appreciate it!
> >>>> Greg
> >>>> 
> >>>> ====================
> >>>> Greg Hupe
> >>>> The Hupe Collection
> >>>> NaturesVault (eBay)
> >>>> gmhupe at tampabay.rr.com
> >>>> IMCA 3163
> >>>> ====================
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
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