[meteorite-list] [ebay] ending in about 2 days

Sun Oct 15 02:30:38 EDT 2006

Hello Stan and List,

To set the record straight, I DID NOT get my NWA 2999 material from 
Aaronson. I had mine well before him and in the labs before anyone. Don't 
mind the lower NWA number you may have, just an older set of numbers NAU 
had. Ask Ted, he will set you straight. I have no worries of you or anyone 
flooding the "market". You obviously do not know me at all. I am not 
concerned with all of that, just doing what I enjoy and the right thing, 
waiting for the scientists to do a proper job, and am quite simply tired of 
coat-tailers like yourself. I have heard from collectors privately on how 
they feel of your types and how it effects the meteorite community, 
collectors and the science of it all.

I go through too much effort to go the distance to get the proper 
information concerning any meteorite I offer. Sometimes this takes much work 
going to Morocco, Western Sahara, or where ever, just to have your types get 
the wrong information and run with it as if you were running a quarter mile 
race instead of the bigger picture. I go to Morocco on average just about 
every six weeks so I know what is going on there. Don't assume that because 
you have "someone from the Denver Show" mail you some rocks that you know 
what the scoop is.

If you are not in such a big hurry to offer your material, why not wait 
until you have your full classifications, numbers and then you can 
confidently offer your classified material to the world.

Enough time wasted on this subject that has been hashed out time and time 
again, usually by the cause of such lazy and all-too-quick people eager to 
release a new meteorite.

Best regards,
Greg

====================
Greg Hupe
The Hupe Collection
NaturesVault (eBay)
gmhupe at tampabay.rr.com
IMCA 3163
====================

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "stan ." <laser_maniac at hotmail.com>
To: <gmhupe at tampabay.rr.com>
Cc: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 1:34 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] [ebay] ending in about 2 days

> Greg
>
> why dont you bother to read the whole gosh darned ebay listing before you 
> accuse me of self pairing and asking me if i'm a scientist - to avoid 
> making yourself look like a fool who is just trying to protect his market 
> share without giving a rat's behind about the collectors.
>
> My ebay ad specifically states that NAU has ALREADY determined this 
> material to be an angrite - and that the material is (provisional) NWA 
> 2934. All that Dr. Bunch was waiting on before making this offical is the 
> remainder of the type specimin deposit since Adam Aaronson's sample (the 
> same source for Boswell's material and yours as well AFIK) was bellow the 
> 20g requirement. the remainder of this mass he should have by next week 
> the postal services willing.
>
> Now i guess you could argue that Dr. Bunch might not know what he is doing 
> and i shouldnt offer the material till the classification is voted on by 
> the nomcom - but since Dr. Bunch co-authored the 'case for mercury' paper 
> AND took part in the classification of nwa 2999 I personally think his 
> word on the matter is good enough for me. I fully disclosed that the 
> number is provisional and that the assumption of pairing was based upon 
> information from my source. I dont see what kind of (legitimate) complaint 
> you might have.
>
> I have maybe another 5g of this material that is 'extra' to my collection 
> from opening up the cut face on the stone i bought and removing material 
> to finialize the type specimin donation. No need to worry about my 
> flooding the market greg - after that 5g you can go back to selling the 
> stuff for as much money as you can get.
>
> now why dont YOU do the right thing and apologize to the list for this BS.
>
>
>
>>From: "Greg Hupe" <gmhupe at tampabay.rr.com>
>>To: "stan ." <laser_maniac at hotmail.com>
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>>Dear Stan and List Members,
>>
>>Stan wrote:
>>"...an angrite slice paired to nwa 2999/3164 that shows off translucent 
>>augite..."
>>
>>Stan, this looks like very bad business ethics in a few ways, especially 
>>in undermining collector confidence in what YOU sell. Your eBay title 
>>reads, "new NWA angrite meteorite possible NWA 2999/3164 pairs". This 
>>appears to be more self-pairing, are you a scientist? What is YOUR NWA 
>>number that was assigned to this material which actually looks like your 
>>ureilite a while back you claimed as "pallasite-like" (now that phrase 
>>sounds familiar!!).
>>
>>When I discovered NWA 2999 (the real McCoy!), there were only 12 complete 
>>stones in which I cut every single one of them and provided material to 
>>have thin sections made to determine they were all paired, which they 
>>were. Here is a link to a photo of those twelve OFFICIAL NWA 2999 stones: 
>>http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa2999/nwa2999a.jpg (notice how they are all 
>>flat on bottom where I cut a piece off for thin sections).
>>
>>There were however, a couple additional "potential angrite" stones that 
>>proved not to be angrite material so you need to have the scientists do 
>>their job and get an officially assigned NWA number for your material, 
>>whatever it may be. This needs to be done with all suspected meteorites, 
>>especially as rare and important as an angrite! In your eBay ad you state 
>>the material was purchased for you from someone at the Denver Show, most 
>>likely a Moroccan who made the pairing is my guess and we know what 
>>happens when you go strictly by their word, or even anyone else such as 
>>yourself in this case.
>>
>>Do the right thing, get it analyzed by a lab and have an NWA number 
>>assigned, the meteorite community deserves this of ALL of this type of 
>>thing. I see the coat-tailing happening again, not just with you, but with 
>>other self-made "scientists" who do not do the right thing.
>>
>>Best regards,
>>Greg
>>
>>====================
>>Greg Hupe
>>The Hupe Collection
>>NaturesVault (eBay)
>>gmhupe at tampabay.rr.com
>>IMCA 3163
>>====================
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "stan ." <laser_maniac at hotmail.com>
>>To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 7:38 PM
>>Subject: [meteorite-list] [ebay] ending in about 2 days
>>
>>
>>>
>>>hello all....
>>>i have a handfull of ebay auctions running right now that end in about 2 
>>>days. closing starting 19:00 PDT on monday the 16th. included in this 
>>>grouping are some more great seymchans, a micro of nwa 2737 the 
>>>chassignite, a nice shock veined shergotitte endcut, a new low TKW 
>>>acapulcoite that is unpaired with the other ACAP material floating around 
>>>recently, an angrite slice paired to nwa 2999/3164 that shows off 
>>>translucent augite, an awsome piece of nwa 801 CR2, and a few more than 
>>>i'm probably not remembering to mention.
>>>
>>>http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZlaserprogramQQhtZ-1QQfrppZ50QQfsopZ1QQfsooZ1QQrdZ0?
>>>
>>>TIA!
>>>
>>>
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