[meteorite-list] Was: Meteorite novels -gifts II New Topicstitle- Meteorites and Archaeology

[E.P. Grondine]

Hi Sterling, Dirk, Doug, List - 

Dirk's timeline never made it to me.  While I did not
cover Navajo or Hopi traditions or their
archaeological sequences in "Man and Impact in the
Americas", I don't have a problem with Dene (Navajo)
settlement at those times. The problem with the
"Athabascan Bastards" hypothesis is that the pueblos
were apparently under attack several hundred years
earlier. Of course, given the Mushkogean traditions,
there is an easy explanation available for this data.

This might be academic, but how populations responded
to climate changes in North America, and when those
climate changes occured, are not exactly trivial
questions. How did the Maunder Minimum affect North
America?

Dirk asks in another message about reviews.  Well,
some of the few people who have read my book think its
pretty good. It is under review by NPS for carrying in
their shops, but to say the least, recent impact
events are controversial, at least for the time being.

I'm sorry "Man and Impact in the Americas" does not
include more meteorite lore, but there was other more
essential information that needed to be covered in it.
 Without my stroke, my copy editors illness, and my
production manager's father's death, many of the
typos/errors in it would have been caught, and there
would have been a lot more illustrations. 

I read or at least looked at a lot of what is out
there while putting the book together, and in my
opinion it is the finest single volume introduction
available for the peoples east of the Mississippi
River. At least a few other people agree.

I did what I could.

good hunting,
Ed

--- "Sterling K. Webb" <sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net>
wrote:

> Hi, Dirk, Doug, List,
> 
>     That "timeline" is a great URL, a very detailed
> account of Dene history (and lots more); the source
> is from the documentation of one of the Dene
> lawsuits,
> so you know anything that could questioned by
> anybody was omitted. The earliest tree ring dates
> show the period 1350-1390 AD for settled structures.
> That implies an earlier entry into the area.
> "Intruders,"
> "invaders," or new folk generally have to "invade"
> first,
> then settle; you don't build a house until you're
> secure
> in the area, so the "intrusion" date would be
> 1300-1350
> AD. There was a major drought in the area in the
> years
> preceeding 1347 AD, at which time a number of major
> Pueblo communities were abandoned. By 1500, the
> Dene were settled in for a century or so.
> 
>     I know an anthropologist once who used to sing a
> song entitled, "How Them Athabascan Bastards Made
> The Great Pueblos Fall," to the tune of "The Wabash
> Cannonball." Like most made-up songs, it had a great
> many verses, few of which are printable in this
> forum.
> Wish I could remember them.
> 
>     Basic Rule of the 21st Century: you can find ANY
> THING you want on the Internet:
>
http://archaeology.about.com/cs/entertainingarcha/a/athabastards.htm
>     These verses are fairly sedate...
> 
>     And, completely off-topic, the analysis of Aztec
> history and politics on that "timeline" URL is
> brilliant.
> The Aztec homeland was supposedly in the nothern
> area, but since the Aztecs burned and re-wrote their
> own history for propaganda value, little is certain.
> 
>     A good source on Casas Grandes is:
> http://www.desertusa.com/ind1/ind_new/ind13.html
>     No mention of the meteorite, though.
> 
>     Another good referrence that you can't get to:
> "The Worship and Folk-Lore of Meteorites," by
> Farrington (1900):
>
http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0021-8715(190007%2F09)13%3A50%3C199%3ATWAFOM%3E2.0.CO%3B2-3
> 
>     No URL, Doug, just the referrence:
> MONNIG O.E. (1939):  "HOW THE CASAS GRANDES,
> CHIHUAHUA, MEXICO, METEORITE GOT TO
> WASHINGTON D.C.," Popular Astron. 47, pp. 152-154.
> 
> 
> 
> Sterling K. Webb
>
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> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "drtanuki" <drtanuki at yahoo.com>
> To: "MexicoDoug" <MexicoDoug at aim.com>;
> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 12:21 AM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Was: Meteorite novels
> -gifts II New 
> Topicstitle- Meteorites and Archaeology
> 
> 
> Dear Doug,
>   You mentioned the Navajo.  The Dene (Navajo)
> didn`t
> arrive New Mexico and the American Southwest until
> around 1500AD; and it has been proposed that the
> demise of the Puebloan (Casas Grande) culture MAY
> have
> been contributed to by their arrival.
> 
> http://www.lapahie.com/Timeline_to_1491.cfm
> 
>   Casas Grande pre-dates their arrival.  You may do
> a
> Web search for more information beyond this link:
> 
> http://whc.unesco.org/pg.cfm?cid=31&id_site=560
> 
>   Best, Dirk...Tokyo
> 
> 
> 
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