[meteorite-list] ID cards

Dave Freeman mjwy dfreeman at fascination.com
Thu Nov 16 12:12:47 EST 2006 

Dear Mark;
I still go with a card yes, and......the very unpopular idea of a chain 
of custody form.  About half of what you are discussing should be on a 
chain of custody form/ authenticity certificate.  The more valuable, the 
more special, the greater need for a chain of custody form.
Heck a nice NWA from Dean accompanied by his card is real nice.   A gaza 
stone should come with a certificate that is signed and frame able.  
Don't forget that much of the information you discuss is in a book and 
can be referenced by the individual.
New auction:  Gaza house crumb: $200 comes with signed affidavit and all 
the scientific data in a large folder, $40 shipping.

AS ONE CAN SEE from the comments on this thread, no two persons can 
agree on what in heck should be on a card and we all wonder why dealers 
don't piddle around with cards much any more.    One size fits all card, 
additional fee $65 and I will accompany the specimen with a card of your 
design that gets custom made at the local card shop.....caution: font 
may be very very small if too much information is printed on the "plank".
Back to the card forum................
Dave F.
no sumptin' fo' nutin' here.

mark ford wrote:

>True but I was thinking more about a 'traceable route' than just a glorified label, things like TKW, even classification can change over a meteorites life ...  but information like 'I sprayed VCI all over it', 'ex nininger', 'part of the piece that smashed up a house' all this information is important stuff, especially if it was ever studied scientifically.
>
> You can of course just collect 'space rocks', but many of us collect historic meteorites too !! I am concerned that we are not leaving much historical stuff for future generations.
>
> How many pieces of the Garza stone are now sitting in plastic boxes with a label saying 'Park Forest'?? What about the story behind it or the fact that it never touched the ground or got wet in the rain?
>
>I could go on a million times but I will leave it at that.
>Mark
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Martin Altmann
>Sent: 16 November 2006 14:03
>To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ID cards
>
>
>Hummm  Frederic,
>
>I think it's a little bit impolite to hand over to the collector an
>ID-plank, instead of an ID-card.
>How should one place such much information on a card, which is little larger
>than 1 or 2 matchbooks?
>
>I think the very rudimentary data are sufficient,
>almost each collector knows how to use the Blue Book or the Bulletin
>database, so that we don't have to put him under tutelage.
>And don't forget, for many of them it's a fun, to categorize and to sort
>their specimens by their own, to write their own specimen labels, to
>customize and to build up their own databases or written documentation and
>to hunt in the literature and web for more information about the individual
>locales. That's one aspect, which makes collecting so satisfying.
>Not to forget, that for some collectors also individual specimen cards are
>collectible items or trophies. If they all would look the same, it would be
>a little monotone, wouldn't it?
>(I like our new cards, yummy, they even do have a hologram...) 
>
>Huh and David,
>Close and tighten your Tyvek suit :-)
>
>Let's take the worst case of collectors for a dealer as an example:
>- They like to pay for the most exotic types 1 or 2 bucks per gram,
>everything else they take for an extortion. 
>- They are buying only Micro- and Nanomounts in the sub-gram range. 
>- But please, highly polished in at least 6 steps on both sides.
>- slices not thicker than 1mm, 
>- and absolutely coplanar.
>They're waiting to get that stuff on ebay, where not so seldom, such
>specimens die at 5$.
>- They want to have it delivered from all over the world within 3 days after
>auction has ended, 
>- but they don't want to pay more than 1$ shipment costs.
>- They want to have it sent registered 
>- and with insurance. 
>- If they aren't fully pleased with that specimen (or when they found the
>same locales meanwhile even more cheaper elsewhere), they want to send it
>back at the dealer's expense.
>- They want it to be well packed in a zip bag 
>- and in an air cushion envelope. 
>- For display it should come of course with a membrane box.
>- To avoid customs tax, they want to get the receipt sent separately by
>letter (of course on dealer's expense).
>
>And now, the dealer should also add a super-designed label, colour print,
>high gloss, laminated, professionally printed on deckle edged paper with a
>personal dedication?
>
>Ey David, in such cases it is by far cheaper and it would save so much time
>for a dealer to send to such a customer not only the money back, but to add
>a 10$ note, humbly thanking for the try to buy from him.
>
>Martin
>
>PS
>(Hmm, I'd like to have to have a flimsy paper ID-card from Mr.Chladni,
>Daubree, Cohen...)
>
>
>-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
>[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von
>Meteoriteshow
>Gesendet: Donnerstag, 16. November 2006 13:33
>An: David Weir; mark ford; meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] ID cards
>
>Hi,
>I guess that most of us are open to standardize meteorites' ID cards but I
>think that the main stage would be to standardize the
>information that should be stated on such cards, when available of course.
>The material that the card is made of is another issue and if we want to
>standardize this as well I'm quite sure that it won't reach
>any complete agreement of each member of the community...
>Here is a suggestion of what ID cards could mention:
>
>- Name of the meteorite, with mention whether it is official (Nom Com) or
>not (personal name or working name, when not yet
>classified or Nom Com approved)
>- Type, as accurate as possible (could be an estimation such as "OC", etc
>when it is stated that the meteorite was not classified)
>- Lab & sicentist who made the classification (when classified)
>- Reference of Met Bul # & year (when classified)
>- Place of find / fall, with if possible coordinates
>- TKW
>- Number of fragments
>- Main scientific infos when classified (Fa% / Fs% for OCs, W, S, etc...)
>- Specimen's weight
>- Remarks (such as specimen's description -slice, endcut, individual,
>fragment...- or possible pairings, etc...)
>- And of course the name of the collection it comes from (with infos such as
>website and e-mail addresses for instance)
>
>All the best,
>
>Frederic Beroud
>http://www.meteoriteshow.com
>IMCA member # 2491 (http://www.imca.cc/)
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "mark ford" <markf at ssl.gb.com>
>To: "David Weir" <dgweir at earthlink.net>;
><meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 12:50 PM
>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ID cards
>
>  
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>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
>>[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of David
>>Weir
>>Sent: 16 November 2006 10:47
>>To: Meteorite List
>>Subject: [meteorite-list] ID cards
>>
>>Dear List,
>>
>>I remember when dealers used to give ID cards that were actually made
>>from card stock, or at least thick paper. Perhaps those who sell
>>thousands of specimens a year figure their businesses can save a few
>>dollars by going to flimsy paper for their ID cards, that's their
>>business decision. I personally don't like these flimsy paper "cards"
>>because they get bent and tear easily and just aren't compatible with
>>the real cards that I receive from the vast majority of dealers. I am
>>hesitant to pass these flimsy pieces of paper on to others when I trade
>>away or sell different specimens because they just make the specimen
>>seem cheap somehow, comparable to the cheap paper used. I just don't
>>understand how any highly successful meteorite business selling in a
>>worldwide market and trying to maintain a high standard of excellence
>>can provide such crappy (as in cow crappy) ID papers. I find it hard to
>>imagine a reason to do this, except of course if the cost of the card
>>stock for the card would be a significant portion of the sales profit,
>>such as in a Bessy speck. I'm not referring to that situation. I have
>>never seen this issue brought up on the list before and so I am
>>fearlessly bringing it up. Those who take offense are welcome to throw
>>crap at me, I have my Tyvek suit on and really don't care. I just get
>>tired of dealers calling flimsy paper IDs "ID Cards", but I'll get over
>>it in a few minutes.
>>
>>David
>>The Weir Meteorite Collection
>>meteoritestudies .com
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