[meteorite-list] Re: Clowns . was SelfProclaimedPairingsIssues(SPPI)

[David Weir]

Adam,

One other bit of information that I have as well is the published 
petrological, mineralogical, and geochemical analyses from these two 
stones, and virtually all of the data overlap. This could mean that they 
are merely launch-crater paired, but doesn't exclude an actual paired 
landing.

Regards,
David



David Weir wrote:
> Hello Adam,
> 
> I am not relying on any statements by my friends Aziz or Nelson to gauge 
> whether or not NWA 3133 and 1839 are paired or not paired. I also have 
> no bias for whichever scenario is correct, I just want to know. The 
> following information is all that I have to go on, and it all supports a 
> scenario that NWA 3133 and 1839 are likely paired. I wish I had 
> something more definitive. If you have more definitive data that 
> suggests they are not paired, then please advise us.
> 
> 1.The following link to an abstract by Irving, Bunch, Rumble III, and 
> Larson, which shows the relationship (pairing factor not directly 
> addressed) of the metachondrites NWA 3133 and 1839 and their affiliation 
> to the CV PB.
> 
> <http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/metsoc2005/pdf/5218.pdf>
> 
> 2.The following link is to the NAU webpage maintained by Ted Bunch and 
> James Wittke, which uses the slash symbol between NWA 3133 and 1839 in 
> the following sentence discussing their classification: "NWA 3133/1839 
> paired specimens were originally classified as L7 chondrites..." Did you 
> read the word "paired" Adam? They further refer to this combination 
> 3133/1839 as "this meteorite", implying a single stone. Do you 
> comprehend now why I believe they are paired? Am I jumping to a 
> conclusion here based on heresay, as you imply? This sentence is 
> presented in the section Primitive Ungrouped Achondrites at the 
> following link:
> 
> <http://www4.nau.edu/meteorite/Meteorite/Book-PrimitiveAchond.html>
> 
> Actually Adam, your statement that I'm "in touch with scientists" is not 
> accurate. I do not bother busy scientists with the zillions of questions 
> that I have about the field of meteoritics, but instead, read and study 
> on my own from published documents in order to keep my facts straight. 
> When more facts about this pairing question are published in the future, 
> I'll make any revisions to my systematic website that are necessary.
> 
> Regards,
> David
> 
> 
>> Hello Dave and List,
>>
>> The so-called pairing to NWA 3133 has a different affinity as you like to
>> say although just as rare as a CV.  You are in touch with scientists, 
>> check
>> it out. Our material did not come from Aziz Habibi and anybody who 
>> listens
>> to him should take what he says with a serious grain of salt.  Anybody 
>> who
>> has been to Morocco knows exactly what I am talking about.  If you 
>> recall,
>> the first "Official" data posted to the List by Nelson Oaks about the
>> suspected pairing was faked.
>>
>> If in doubt, check it out,
>>
>> Adam