[meteorite-list] OT: five-pointed stars vs six-pointed stars

Tue Sep 13 15:40:33 EDT 2005

Hi All,

In case anyone missed the picture, Anne Black captured a rare moment
when two different Nininger Stars intersected in time and space. At
The Peoples' Auction in Tucson, for just an instant, both a five and a
six pointed Nininiger star shared the same camera lens. Here is a link
to that famous photo when it appeared in the February 13 Rocks from
Space Picture of the Day.

http://www.geocities.com/spacerocksinc/Feb13.html

Happy viewing.

Martin

On 9/13/05, MexicoDoug at aol.com <MexicoDoug at aol.com> wrote:
> Hola,
> 
> My inclination is just based on  SIMPLICITY and PERFECTION with a little awe
> from peasants admiring the  intellectuals.
> 
> The five pointed star has a much more robust history than  being explained
> away so offhandedly (and incorrectly regarding its  origin) as the five elements
> of alchemy (or more graciously the Greeks'  five elements).  I would think
> that Alexander of Macedonia under the great  Greek tutors like Aristotle bridged
> the awe of the ancients with his golden  chestplate logo symbol (five pointed
> star) to the modern world.  He dreamed  of folding Persia into his Greek
> empire and no doubt Greek intellectuals  attributed the 5-pointer to Mesopotamia -
> that was Alexander's style when  melding cultures.  Pythagoras ( a couple
> hundred years earlier) wrote about  the characteristics of the 5-pointer, which
> has two important  characteristics:
> 
> 1.  It is the simplest astersketch that doesn't  require the quill to be
> removed from the parchament resulting in a perfectly  symmetric sketch easily done
> by a child - making a very powerful argument for  perfection that anyone can
> draw.
> 2.  It's geometrical proportions  reporduce the golden ratio that Pythagoras
> _et. al._ and contemporaries, and  then later DaVinci were so inspired with -
> called golden for the perfection of  nature.  The proportion is the same one
> as in the Golden Rectangle and  apparent in ammonites, nautili, rabbit
> reproduction, as well as arguably human  physical beauty, and many other places you
> can look.  The Golden Proportion  is found as follows in the five pointed star
> by simply taking the ratio of the
> 
> A six-pointed star is drawn most easily by two superimposed equilateral
> triangles and has other arguments of perfection.  But it has no irrational
> numbers, or pleasing ratios like the golden proportion and does require two
> separate strokes.  Pythagoras, a great influence on Aristotle and the rest  of the
> intellectual pantheon and his school also found that, just like the  famous
> golden rectangle with the same proportion, the three isoceles triangles  of the
> five pointed star via bisecting the base angles could be made into an
> infiinitely repeating triangle of those proportions terroriferically excitingly  - with
> the golden proportion falling out.  So the mathematicians had a lot  to be
> occupied about.  The were revered, sometimes secretive and planted  the seeds
> for the mystics...who were originally just intellectuals following in  their
> footsteps as the ages darkened.
> 
> Of course, Christianity couldn't  have a competitive symbol to the cross so
> you were persecuted for using it and  no doubt it turned into a witchhunt in
> the Inquisition.  But the devil and  evil and other stupidity attributed to the
> five-pinted star whether inscribed in  a pentagon or upside down or in the
> missionary position or whatever is more of a  recent product of cults desperately
> trying to appropiate an icon that expresses  power knowledge and the
> rebellous side.  But really this devil nonesense  couldn't be much more than 100-200
> years old for the golden symbol of  perfection.  And the USA making the central
> war waging facility called the  "Pentagon" probably gave it an extra ominous
> push...So chalk up the evilness to  the church monopoly and teachings about
> other icons.
> 
> As the six-pointed  star was appropiated by King Solomon, and generally had a
> more respected patent  protection since it had less fun mathematics behind it
> and turned on the  Pythagoreans much less...and through the ages, the quest
> for the most simple  perfect icon (whether for Alexander or, good one,
> Mercedes:) ) has been  contentious, all kinds of symbolism from the head and four
> limbs being a  crucified man, toi the elements to the mountains of of the
> Templars, to the five  known wanderer planets (Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn),
> bla bla bla, we  can find as many meanings as we want for different
> compassionate or witchy  companies through the ages if you like Freemason Egyptian
> Mesopotamian stuff,  persecutions for competion from the cross, etc.  Even in
> Chinese  numismatics - thanks for the trivia, Dirk..., or in the US 18th century
> Freemason intellectualism.
> 
> But as a symbol the power (=>godliness and  the heavens where constellations
> were rewards for heroic ascentions) of the five  pointer is in the golden
> ratio, its golden triangles, and the ability to draw it  without lifting the pen,
> and play with the geometry for the all its  entertainment value --- and then
> that the first World conquerer picked it  because he hung with the intellectual
> crowd as a kid and was obsessed with the  lands where the five pointer was
> first used - as previously pointed out - not to  represent heavenly bodies, but
> rather the fusion of math, biology (creation) and  art...
> 
> Saludos, Doug
> 
> Dirk R. wrote:
> Nick and List,
> I  have done some further digging.  The five  pointed
> stars represent  the five elements of alchemy, water,
> wind, fire, wood, stone in different  forms.
> The center of the star representing the Earth.
> Both  forms contain symbols that are not apparent to
> most of the the modern  world.  Thanks for you kind
> reply.
> As a side note:  The  ancient Chinese used the circle
> to represent Heaven and the square, Earth  (this is the
> reason  that ancient Chinese coins had a square hole
> in  their center).
> Dirk...Tokyo
> 
> --- Nicholas Gessler  <gessler at ucla.edu> wrote:
> 
> > Hello Dirk,
> > Or four or seven  points?
> > Or pointy stars:  3 points for Mercedes, 5 points
> >  for Chrysler?
> > Or no points, as our sky atlases depict?
> > Are you  deconstructing artists' renderings of the
> > heavens and meteorite  falls?
> > Or any number of points depending on which camera
> > filter  we choose to use?
> > Independent invention?
> > Random  variation?
> > The wish to have a different sort of star from the
> >  other folks?
> > 5-points is demonic only if the point is down.
> >  Star-struck,
> > Nick
> 
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