[meteorite-list] PV way out of hand!

[Tom Knudson]

Hi Mark and List, my comments on PV and the lazy thing was back in March of
2004, and I had no idea who did the classification. I asked if "they were
being lazy by not making up a knew class for the unique meteorite, I did not
say they were being lazy, I just did not understand how PV was an considered
an ordinary run of mill L6 chondrite.
   "I bet that daughter of your would be a good meteorite hunter.  She seems
to
pick up on things pretty fast.  I think I would be doing some
father-daughter trips if I was you.  ("That's right, for every 20 meteorites
you find I will buy you a barbie.")"

It does not work like that any more, it would be more like for every 20
meteorites you find I will buy you another 126k of memory for your computer.

Thanks, Tom
peregrineflier <><

----- Original Message -----
From: "MARK BOSTICK" <thebigcollector at msn.com>
To: <peregrineflier at npgcable.com>; <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 1:58 PM
Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] PV way out of hand!


> Tom and list,
>
> Most of us have high respect for few meteoritic scientist we have.  I
don't
> think anyone was balking at your question, but as another member noted,
your
> lack of sensitivity.  There are correct ways to ask questions, and there
are
> incorrect.
>
> Step back a minute and look at it from a scientist that worked on the
> meteorite.  You pretty much said they were incompetent and lazy, or at
least
> was how it came across to me and others.
>
> How would you take that if you worked several hours on the meteorite and
> submitted your findings, to get such response?  Classifiers do not make
> meteorite classifications or names official.  They submit their work, and
> will note the meteorite classification they believe it to be and a name,
> they think is appropiate.  The Met Com then decides on the official name
and
> classification, after getting further information from the scientist or
> other scientist as needed.  It is not un-common for scientist to not
> completely agree, but we...or I guess they...usually seem to come to an
> agreement.  All in all, it is a pretty good check and balance system.
>
> PV is a unique meteorite.  However, it is unlikely it will get it owns
class
> since it is chemically an H chondrite and the metal seems derived from an
H
> chondrite body.  So now your maybe wondering why it looks the way it
> does...my answer there would be to Google "Portales Valley Meteorite" and
> PDF.  There are over a dozen of papers online on this meteorite and why it
> looks the way it does.
>
> Which makes it one of the most studied US meteorites of recent time.
> Perhaps our scientific body is not so lazy.
>
> Do now maybe your wondering, "But it doesn't look like my H5's."  We do
not
> classify meteorites by hand specimen appearance.  Classification is more
of
> a chemical thing now days, although chondrule appearance and the like does
> factor in.
>
> Should you still have PV questions, after reading the articles that are
> on-line,, you can ask a more specific question.  You can not expect anyone
> to fully explain such a meteorite over e-mail.  Before sending the e-mail,
> you might check to see if you are offending anyone, since this line seems
to
> be blurry to you, I suggest taking a conservative step.
>
> Another example of what I am saying here is your Rubin e-mail last week
that
> I tried to smooth feathers down.  Such formed questions are seen as
usually
> passive aggressive attacks.  If I was Rubin, who had classified an
ordinary
> NWA chondrite for you a couple weeks earlier...I would have been annoyed I
> think.
>
> In a more pro-Tom note, I got the endcut of his Franconio find that he
> placed on ebay last week.  Nice looking endcut that was well
> polished....about to 800? grit it appears.  Tom was kind enough to include
a
> free extra slice of the meteorite.  Only 2.49g., but it is rasor thin,
> ~1.5mm., and polished on both sides.  (Anytime I have tried to polish
> anything that thin it usually breaks and flat bed shoots the piece broken
> off across the room.)
>
> I bet that daughter of your would be a good meteorite hunter.  She seems
to
> pick up on things pretty fast.  I think I would be doing some
> father-daughter trips if I was you.  ("That's right, for every 20
meteorites
> you find I will buy you a barbie.")
>
> Clear Skies,
> Mark Bostick
> www.meteoritearticles.com
>
>
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