[meteorite-list] Kansas Legal Debate: Creation, Evolution andIntelligent Design

[Treiman, Allan]

Hi, all -- 

   Here's my two cents on Intellegent Design. It adopts the worst
aspects of science and religion, and ends up being bad science, 
bad theology, and bad engineering.

  Intellegent Design is bad science, because it makes no 
testable predictions about how the universe does or did operate. 

  Intellegent Design is bad theology, because it assumes that 
humans are clever enough to understand God's design of the universe 
and his intentions. Don't our preachers always tell us that the 
ways of God are myterious and not within mortal understanding?

  Intellegent Design is bad engineering, because so many parts of
the design work poorly. What is the design purpose of acne? Fallen 
arches? Acid reflux? Cancer? Failing eyesight? Etc, etc. These are not 
intellegent designs, they are sloppy, foolish, stupid designs. 

   FWIW.

  Allan 
 


Allan H. Treiman
Senior Staff Scientist
Lunar and Planetary Institute
3600 Bay Area Boulevard
Houston, TX 77058-1113
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   281-486-2162 (FAX)


-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com]On Behalf Of Bill
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Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 8:02 AM
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Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Kansas Legal Debate: Creation,Evolution
andIntelligent Design


interesting point of view Phil...

Bill

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Phil Morgan" <pkmorgan at ctcweb.net>
To: <cynapse at charter.net>; "drtanuki" <drtanuki at yahoo.com>
Cc: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 6:46 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Kansas Legal Debate: Creation,Evolution and 
Intelligent Design


> Hey Darren,
> That was kind of mean-spirited.
>
> Let's see, if I believe in a God, I'm an inbred nitwit, but if I believe 
> that I was rather created by a bacteria that came from somewhere (?) and 
> hitched a ride on a meteorite (just to make this a meteorite-related 
> topic) I'm quite intelligent?  Or was the former only if I believe in a 
> young earth?
>
> Until we find a world that was created by bacteria+chance and those 
> bacteria learned to write and recorded the whole process for us it's all 
> faith - either way.
>
> Interesting topic and if anyone has any proof either way lets discuss that 
> rather than making generalities.
>
> Regards to all
> Phil Morgan
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Darren Garrison" <cynapse at charter.net>
> To: "drtanuki" <drtanuki at yahoo.com>
> Cc: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 5:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Kansas Legal Debate: Creation,Evolution and 
> Intelligent Design
>
>
> On Thu, 12 May 2005 15:54:26 -0700 (PDT), drtanuki <drtanuki at yahoo.com> 
> wrote:
>
>>Dear List,
>>  There is now a debate in the Kansas Courts (USA)
>>about what should be taught in schools, Creationism,
>>Evolution or Intelligent Design.  Intelligent Design
>>is a new paradigm that states that there was an
>>Intelligence behind the design of the Universe and
>>Creation of Life.  What are the views of members on
>>this List?
>
> Intelligent Design is just creationism in an attempted scientific disguise 
> so that they can get
> their foot back in the door of the science classrooms.  Don't be fooled by 
> their pretending to be
> rational-- I'll be willing to be you that AT LEAST 95% of the "Intelligent 
> Design" proponents
> pushing for Intelligent Design to be taught are Young Earth Creationists, 
> who insist on an age for
> the Earth and Universe at below 10,000 years and a Noachian Deluge.
>
> In other words, inbred nitwits.
>
> http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/barbara_forrest/wedge.html
> http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/features/2000/pigliucci1.html
> http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/vic_stenger/stealth.pdf
> http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/theism/design.html
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