FW: Re: [meteorite-list] Largest single Pallasite?
Robert Warren
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>Geetings and salutations,
>
>I am in agreement with Al Mitterling, concerning the Port Orford Meteorite.
> If anyone would read carefully Plotkins book put out by the Smithsonian,
>check all of his references, and then look at the information he does not
>quote from, or refer to, they would get a completely different picture.
>Plotkin refers to a series of letters, or correspondence from two
>gentlemen, who were on a steamboat with Evans going up the Missouri river,
>towards a point that they intended to get off and proceed to the Bad Lands.
> Before they got on the boat, in the correspondence that Plotkin does not
>quote or refer to, they say how Evans loaned them money so that they could
>buy the supplies they needed for their trip. They were on a fixed budget,
>with no idea as to how much anything would cost, in the then frontier state
>of Missouri. They didn't know about the cost of mules, horses, food,
>camping gear, or even the fees for getting on board the steamboat. But
>Plotkin, leads us to believe that Evans could not manage money. That is a
>recurring theme throughout his work. But that theme is unfounded. He says
>that Evans concocted the hoax so as to pay off debts incurred sometime
>between 1856 and 1858. However, he does not mention how in 1858, there was
>a world wide economic panic, or what we would call today, a depression. He
>does not mention how one gentleman in California, at the same time, was
>asked by his superiors in St. Louis, as to what he thought should be done
>with the bank they owned, a branch that he was the manager of, in San
>Francisco? His response was to close it, which they did. They transferred
>him to New York City, where the same thing happened. That gentlemans name
>was William Tecumseh Sherman, of Sherman's march to the sea fame during the
>civil war. Plotkin makes it sound as if Evans was the only one in
>financial trouble. Yet if anyone reads through a history of Geology in the
>United States, he would find instance after instance, where almost everyone
>contracted by the U. S. Government for a period of over one hundred years,
>starting in the 1830's and going into the 1940's, has been short changed,
>by not being paid enough for their efforts, and in some cases they never
>recieved payment at all, even though they had a contract for doing the work
>and being paid for it. One such case is of a gentleman, who was contracted
>to survey the State of Michigan, in the 1830's. He hired a couple of men
>to help him. They were at work, when one of those men decided he knew more
>about what was going on, and he told both his boss, as well as the
>government. The goverment decided to listen to that man, and did not pay
>the man in charge. He quit in disqust, and always held a grudge against
>the government until he died. That man was C. T. Jackson, the very same
>chemist that Evans sent the samples to around 1858-1859. It was he who
>found the sample that he said was a meteorite. By the way, why in 1860,
>when he wrote the first paper about the Port Orford meteorite, why did he
>use the word "specimens", plural, not singular. This would imply that he
>had more than one piece. Why is it that he himself had been collecting
>meteorites since the 1830's and nobody mentions that in relation to the
>suppossed hoax. He himself put out a 3-6 page catalogue of meteorites in
>his own collection. How do we not know that he kept the original Port
>Orford specimen (s), and substituted a piece of Imilac, which has made it
>down to us today, and history. This would explain why Lincoln La Paz back
>in the 1930's during the course of his searches for the Port Orford, he was
>told by the Museum in Boston that they still had the Port Orford in their
>collection, which by that time, the SMithsonian claims to have already
>purchased it from them.
>
>The long and the short of it, is simply this. There are too many questions
>about Plotkin's work that does not correlate with the historical record. I
>suggest everyone should get out and research it, and not take the word of
>Plotkin, just because he has the Smithsonian behind them.
>
>Bob Warren
>
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