[meteorite-list] BCC "Meteorites" [was Milestones] PLEASE READ

McomeMeteorite Meteorite meteorites at hotmail.com
Tue Nov 23 12:35:33 EST 2004 

well done!


>From: "Michael Farmer" <meteoritehunter at comcast.net>
>To: "S. Ray DeRusse" <srd at ispwest.com>,"McomeMeteorite Meteorite" 
><meteorites at hotmail.com>,<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] BCC "Meteorites" [was Milestones] PLEASE READ
>Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 09:56:58 -0700
>
>Mr. DeRusse, what is the deal, let's get it out in the open right now.
>You seem to think that the entire world is conspiring against you to deny 
>you the fame and fortune of owning the moon and mars ranch.
>Why?
>For a conspiracy, the people (scientists) must gain something from it.
>No one seems to gain anything from conspiring against you.
>Why do you keep this up? You stones are not meteorites, SIMPLE.
>Now please leave the meteorite world alone and find another list to debate 
>your treasures on.
>Get a life.
>Michael Farmer
>----- Original Message ----- From: "S. Ray DeRusse" <srd at ispwest.com>
>To: "McomeMeteorite Meteorite" <meteorites at hotmail.com>; 
><meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 7:30 AM
>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] BCC "Meteorites" [was Milestones] PLEASE READ
>
>
>>Matteo;
>>
>>We think your implying that we fabricated any email from Dirk Ross is 
>>preposterous and absurd. We have no reason to fabricate analytical data, 
>>emails or anything from anyone for that matter. I suppose you think we 
>>fabricated the email below from Dr. Oliver Manuel to Bill Cutler in which 
>>he agrees with us and welcomes some measure of controls on rogue 
>>scientists? Is that what you think? We realized the level of absurdity 
>>from you and many others when you endlessly debated whether a meteorite 
>>fall is hot to the touch back in 2002. You guys endlessly debated this 
>>issue and some trained scientists even weighed in on the issue but only 
>>served to cloud it. Since ya'll never settled it let me tell you the heat 
>>generated by a meteorite fall is proportional to the metal content. That 
>>is to say the higher the metal content the hotter to the touch.....duh. 
>>That means that stony meteorites will only be warm to the touch whereas 
>>iron-nickel meteorites will be hot. Good luck and stop being so absurd and 
>>preposterous.
>>
>>
>>From Dr. Oliver Manuel;
>>
>>Thanks, Bill, for the message.
>>
>>I wish NASA's new policy might correct the problem.
>>Science rests on one of the oldest spiritual truths, e.g. from the
>>Upanishads, "Truth is victorious, never untruth."
>>It appears NASA officials mistakenly believed for decades that good
>>PR (public relations) is more important than truth.
>>NASA held the purse strings and misconduct from NASA spread into
>>peripheral organizations.
>>
>>For example, how much NASA money, how many pages of MAPS and GCA, and
>>how many hours of Lunar Science Conference time has been devoted to
>>questionable but flashy discoveries like AN ALPHABET OF NEONS (Ne-A,
>>Ne-B, Ne-C, Ne-D, Ne-E, etc.), SUPER-HEAVY ELEMENTS, INTERSTELLAR
>>DIAMONDS, STAR DUST, etc. while more mundane explanations (MASS
>>FRACTIONATION, LOCAL ELEMENT SYNTHESIS, etc.) were ignored and/or
>>excluded from publication?
>>
>>What is the result?
>>
>>1. NASA - the world's premier space agency - failed to appreciate
>>that samples from the Apollo mission clearly revealed severe mass
>>separation in the Sun.  There is little doubt about this conclusion.
>>See "Composition of the Solar Interior: Information from Isotope
>>Ratios"
>>
>>         http://www.umr.edu/~om/abstracts2002/soho-gong2002.pdf
>>         http://www.umr.edu/~om/abstracts2002/soho-gong2002.ps
>>
>>2.  NASA - the world's premier space agency - failed to appreciate
>>that the Galileo probe into the atmosphere of Jupiter confirmed that
>>material there is unlike that in the Sun.  See Ken Windler's report
>>on "strange" xenon isotopes in Jupiter.
>>
>>          http://www.umr.edu/~om/abstracts2001/windleranalysis.pdf
>>
>>In 1983 we noted that the Galileo mission to Jupiter would find
>>"strange" xenon there, if we were correct in concluding that the Sun
>>is iron-rich from the Apollo mission to the Moon ["Solar abundance of
>>the elements", Meteoritics 18, 209-222].
>>
>>NASA's engineering has been great, but its science has been a dismal
>>failure.  Unfortunately, scientific journals share some of the blame.
>>
>>With kind regards,
>>Oliver K. Manuel
>>
>>
>>McomeMeteorite Meteorite wrote:
>>
>>>I doubt many Dirk Ross write this....
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>From: "S. Ray DeRusse" <srd at ispwest.com>
>>>>To: geoking at notkin.net
>>>>CC: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>>>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] BCC "Meteorites" [was Milestones] PLEASE 
>>>>READ
>>>>Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 06:20:16 -0600
>>>>
>>>>Greetings List;
>>>>
>>>>     I would like respond to Mr. Notkin. Mr. Notkin you prove that if 
>>>>you wnat to get your facts straight you have to go to the source. Yes we 
>>>>did file a lawsuit sometime back against numerous individuals when we 
>>>>discovered they interfering with some others we were working with on the 
>>>>meteorite project. Its a well known fact that certain individuals have 
>>>>been operating against us.
>>>>     You obviously were lied to by your friend we sued. WE filed a 
>>>>motion to dismiss the lawsuit after two of the defendants agreed to 
>>>>complete their contracts with us. WE did it, no Judge dismissed 
>>>>anything. We filed a motion to dismiss without prejudice that means we 
>>>>can go back at anytime. Do you understand that? We instructed the 
>>>>Assistant Attorney General to draft it up, we signed it and filed it 
>>>>once two of the defendants came forward to spill the beans. We that 
>>>>means us Mr. Notkin.
>>>>     Now as far the samples, and being told nicely about anything. First 
>>>>of all if the samples were not authentic why would UT try to steal the 
>>>>ones that were in left in the lab with them? It was not until we blew 
>>>>the whistle on them that this controversy began to get out of hand. If 
>>>>you think that all scientists are honest and do not lie, cheat, and 
>>>>steal, having same, similar or different motives, Mr. Notkin I have news 
>>>>for you, you too are in living world that does not exist. I would hope 
>>>>that you know the difference between a typographical error and an actual 
>>>>misspelling, but for some people, thinking on their own is a lot of 
>>>>work. Good luck Mr. Notkin and I really mean that.
>>>>
>>>>Here's an entirely differenct viewpoint from Dirk Ross
>>>>
>>>>Dear Mr. DeRusse,
>>>>   I have been doing research since 1980.  But, my last
>>>>research was last year at Yamaguchi University in
>>>>Japan.
>>>>   I have read most of your writings on the internet.
>>>>You certainly are an educated person.  I can
>>>>understand your wish for students and scientists to
>>>>think "outside" of the box.  I agree with you on this
>>>>point.  I always ask and demand my students to think
>>>>independently so that science can advance what is
>>>>known.
>>>>   I apologize for my initial judgement about you
>>>>before knowing more about the whole story. Keep up
>>>>your search for fact.  About truth, I leave that for
>>>>God.   Sincerely, Dirk Ross...Tokyo
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>>>>
>>>>S. Ray DeRusse and Bill Cutler
>>>>www.bccmeteorites.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Notkin wrote:
>>>>
>>>>><x-rich><fixed>Jonathan posted:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>  I'm back on the list. What is BCC meteorites about? I have heard a 
>>>>>>lot about it and read their site but I still don't understand. Odd.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Dear Jonathan and Fellow Listees:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Jonathan, yes you are absolutely right. It is very "odd" and nobody 
>>>>>else understands their site either because their site is nonsense.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I would like all my fellow List members to be made aware of something 
>>>>>important: These BCC "Meteorites" characters filed an actual lawsuit 
>>>>>against a number of prominent, respected and very well-liked senior 
>>>>>meteoriticists here in the U.S (one of whom is a personal friend of 
>>>>>mine). The suit was -- of course -- thrown out by the judge for being 
>>>>>utterly frivolous. It's just too bad these clowns weren't heavily fined 
>>>>>for wasting court time.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>BCC "Meteorites" seems to believe that there's some kind of high-level 
>>>>>conspiracy/cover-up going on between NASA and major meteoritical 
>>>>>institutions -- all because BCC "Meteorites" have been told (nicely and 
>>>>>repeatedly) that the junk items they dig out of their bog, or whatever, 
>>>>>in Texas are not actually fossilized alien brains, UFO warp core spare 
>>>>>parts, Lunar meteorites, Dick Tracy wrist watch radios, etc., but just 
>>>>>plain old dull terrestrial rocks. I think we all enjoy a good 
>>>>>eccentric, and the whole thing would have been somewhat amusing in a 
>>>>>"Benny Hill" sort of way if these guys hadn't been really nasty to some 
>>>>>really nice people during their imaginary scientific journey.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>We have our squabbles on the List from time to time, but we are all 
>>>>>united in our interest in the SCIENCE of meteoritics. The 
>>>>>technobabble/gobbledygook pseudo-science offered up on the BCC 
>>>>>"Meteorites" website -- and written, I might add, in appalling 
>>>>>elementary school English so laden with spelling errors and grammatical 
>>>>>mistakes that you couldn't follow their argument even if it *were* 
>>>>>sound -- should not be allowed promotion here on the Meteorite List. 
>>>>>Novice collectors, still learning about meteorites, might be hoodwinked 
>>>>>into believing some of the fatuous claims that are made on the BCC 
>>>>>website.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>So, I strongly suggest that we -- as a community -- block the email 
>>>>>addresses of these guys DeRusse and Cutler immediately and permanently. 
>>>>>They just want attention, and the best way to eradicate this kind of 
>>>>>fake science rubbish is to ignore the perpetrators entirely. They'll 
>>>>>likely get bored and wander off to some UFO conspiracy 
>>>>>theory/Creationist mailing list of which -- unfortunately -- there are 
>>>>>probably several. A request from a few of you to List Moderator Art 
>>>>>Jones ( listman at meteoritecentral.com ) to have them removed from the 
>>>>>List wouldn't hurt either.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Oh, and BTW, if you look at the first photo on their website, the guy 
>>>>>with the white gloves looks like "Dr. No."   : )
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Not at all respectfully,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Geoff Notkin
>>>>>
>>>>>Science writer interested in actual science and real 
>>>>>meteorites</fixed></x-rich>
>>>>>
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