[meteorite-list] BCC "Meteorites" [was Milestones] PLEASE READ

Tue Nov 23 09:55:46 EST 2004

Sincerely I do not believe to nothing of what you write... and what it is 
written us in your site then. ....

>From: "S. Ray DeRusse" <srd at ispwest.com>
>To: McomeMeteorite Meteorite <meteorites at hotmail.com>,  
>meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] BCC "Meteorites" [was Milestones] PLEASE READ
>Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 08:30:25 -0600
>
>Matteo;
>
>We think your implying that we fabricated any email from Dirk Ross is 
>preposterous and absurd. We have no reason to fabricate analytical data, 
>emails or anything from anyone for that matter. I suppose you think we 
>fabricated the email below from Dr. Oliver Manuel to Bill Cutler in which 
>he agrees with us and welcomes some measure of controls on rogue 
>scientists? Is that what you think? We realized the level of absurdity from 
>you and many others when you endlessly debated whether a meteorite fall is 
>hot to the touch back in 2002. You guys endlessly debated this issue and 
>some trained scientists even weighed in on the issue but only served to 
>cloud it. Since ya'll never settled it let me tell you the heat generated 
>by a meteorite fall is proportional to the metal content. That is to say 
>the higher the metal content the hotter to the touch.....duh. That means 
>that stony meteorites will only be warm to the touch whereas iron-nickel 
>meteorites will be hot. Good luck and stop being so absurd and 
>preposterous.
>
>
>From Dr. Oliver Manuel;
>
>Thanks, Bill, for the message.
>
>I wish NASA's new policy might correct the problem.
>Science rests on one of the oldest spiritual truths, e.g. from the
>Upanishads, "Truth is victorious, never untruth."
>It appears NASA officials mistakenly believed for decades that good
>PR (public relations) is more important than truth.
>NASA held the purse strings and misconduct from NASA spread into
>peripheral organizations.
>
>For example, how much NASA money, how many pages of MAPS and GCA, and
>how many hours of Lunar Science Conference time has been devoted to
>questionable but flashy discoveries like AN ALPHABET OF NEONS (Ne-A,
>Ne-B, Ne-C, Ne-D, Ne-E, etc.), SUPER-HEAVY ELEMENTS, INTERSTELLAR
>DIAMONDS, STAR DUST, etc. while more mundane explanations (MASS
>FRACTIONATION, LOCAL ELEMENT SYNTHESIS, etc.) were ignored and/or
>excluded from publication?
>
>What is the result?
>
>1. NASA - the world's premier space agency - failed to appreciate
>that samples from the Apollo mission clearly revealed severe mass
>separation in the Sun.  There is little doubt about this conclusion.
>See "Composition of the Solar Interior: Information from Isotope
>Ratios"
>
>         http://www.umr.edu/~om/abstracts2002/soho-gong2002.pdf
>         http://www.umr.edu/~om/abstracts2002/soho-gong2002.ps
>
>2.  NASA - the world's premier space agency - failed to appreciate
>that the Galileo probe into the atmosphere of Jupiter confirmed that
>material there is unlike that in the Sun.  See Ken Windler's report
>on "strange" xenon isotopes in Jupiter.
>
>          http://www.umr.edu/~om/abstracts2001/windleranalysis.pdf
>
>In 1983 we noted that the Galileo mission to Jupiter would find
>"strange" xenon there, if we were correct in concluding that the Sun
>is iron-rich from the Apollo mission to the Moon ["Solar abundance of
>the elements", Meteoritics 18, 209-222].
>
>NASA's engineering has been great, but its science has been a dismal
>failure.  Unfortunately, scientific journals share some of the blame.
>
>With kind regards,
>Oliver K. Manuel
>
>
>McomeMeteorite Meteorite wrote:
>
>>I doubt many Dirk Ross write this....
>>
>>
>>
>>>From: "S. Ray DeRusse" <srd at ispwest.com>
>>>To: geoking at notkin.net
>>>CC: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] BCC "Meteorites" [was Milestones] PLEASE 
>>>READ
>>>Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 06:20:16 -0600
>>>
>>>Greetings List;
>>>
>>>     I would like respond to Mr. Notkin. Mr. Notkin you prove that if you 
>>>wnat to get your facts straight you have to go to the source. Yes we did 
>>>file a lawsuit sometime back against numerous individuals when we 
>>>discovered they interfering with some others we were working with on the 
>>>meteorite project. Its a well known fact that certain individuals have 
>>>been operating against us.
>>>     You obviously were lied to by your friend we sued. WE filed a motion 
>>>to dismiss the lawsuit after two of the defendants agreed to complete 
>>>their contracts with us. WE did it, no Judge dismissed anything. We filed 
>>>a motion to dismiss without prejudice that means we can go back at 
>>>anytime. Do you understand that? We instructed the Assistant Attorney 
>>>General to draft it up, we signed it and filed it once two of the 
>>>defendants came forward to spill the beans. We that means us Mr. Notkin.
>>>     Now as far the samples, and being told nicely about anything. First 
>>>of all if the samples were not authentic why would UT try to steal the 
>>>ones that were in left in the lab with them? It was not until we blew the 
>>>whistle on them that this controversy began to get out of hand. If you 
>>>think that all scientists are honest and do not lie, cheat, and steal, 
>>>having same, similar or different motives, Mr. Notkin I have news for 
>>>you, you too are in living world that does not exist. I would hope that 
>>>you know the difference between a typographical error and an actual 
>>>misspelling, but for some people, thinking on their own is a lot of work. 
>>>Good luck Mr. Notkin and I really mean that.
>>>
>>>Here's an entirely differenct viewpoint from Dirk Ross
>>>
>>>Dear Mr. DeRusse,
>>>   I have been doing research since 1980.  But, my last
>>>research was last year at Yamaguchi University in
>>>Japan.
>>>   I have read most of your writings on the internet.
>>>You certainly are an educated person.  I can
>>>understand your wish for students and scientists to
>>>think "outside" of the box.  I agree with you on this
>>>point.  I always ask and demand my students to think
>>>independently so that science can advance what is
>>>known.
>>>   I apologize for my initial judgement about you
>>>before knowing more about the whole story. Keep up
>>>your search for fact.  About truth, I leave that for
>>>God.   Sincerely, Dirk Ross...Tokyo
>>>__________________________________
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>>>
>>>
>>>S. Ray DeRusse and Bill Cutler
>>>www.bccmeteorites.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Notkin wrote:
>>>
>>>><x-rich><fixed>Jonathan posted:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>  I'm back on the list. What is BCC meteorites about? I have heard a 
>>>>>lot about it and read their site but I still don't understand. Odd.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Dear Jonathan and Fellow Listees:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Jonathan, yes you are absolutely right. It is very "odd" and nobody else 
>>>>understands their site either because their site is nonsense.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I would like all my fellow List members to be made aware of something 
>>>>important: These BCC "Meteorites" characters filed an actual lawsuit 
>>>>against a number of prominent, respected and very well-liked senior 
>>>>meteoriticists here in the U.S (one of whom is a personal friend of 
>>>>mine). The suit was -- of course -- thrown out by the judge for being 
>>>>utterly frivolous. It's just too bad these clowns weren't heavily fined 
>>>>for wasting court time.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>BCC "Meteorites" seems to believe that there's some kind of high-level 
>>>>conspiracy/cover-up going on between NASA and major meteoritical 
>>>>institutions -- all because BCC "Meteorites" have been told (nicely and 
>>>>repeatedly) that the junk items they dig out of their bog, or whatever, 
>>>>in Texas are not actually fossilized alien brains, UFO warp core spare 
>>>>parts, Lunar meteorites, Dick Tracy wrist watch radios, etc., but just 
>>>>plain old dull terrestrial rocks. I think we all enjoy a good eccentric, 
>>>>and the whole thing would have been somewhat amusing in a "Benny Hill" 
>>>>sort of way if these guys hadn't been really nasty to some really nice 
>>>>people during their imaginary scientific journey.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>We have our squabbles on the List from time to time, but we are all 
>>>>united in our interest in the SCIENCE of meteoritics. The 
>>>>technobabble/gobbledygook pseudo-science offered up on the BCC 
>>>>"Meteorites" website -- and written, I might add, in appalling 
>>>>elementary school English so laden with spelling errors and grammatical 
>>>>mistakes that you couldn't follow their argument even if it *were* sound 
>>>>-- should not be allowed promotion here on the Meteorite List. Novice 
>>>>collectors, still learning about meteorites, might be hoodwinked into 
>>>>believing some of the fatuous claims that are made on the BCC website.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>So, I strongly suggest that we -- as a community -- block the email 
>>>>addresses of these guys DeRusse and Cutler immediately and permanently. 
>>>>They just want attention, and the best way to eradicate this kind of 
>>>>fake science rubbish is to ignore the perpetrators entirely. They'll 
>>>>likely get bored and wander off to some UFO conspiracy 
>>>>theory/Creationist mailing list of which -- unfortunately -- there are 
>>>>probably several. A request from a few of you to List Moderator Art 
>>>>Jones ( listman at meteoritecentral.com ) to have them removed from the 
>>>>List wouldn't hurt either.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Oh, and BTW, if you look at the first photo on their website, the guy 
>>>>with the white gloves looks like "Dr. No."   : )
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Not at all respectfully,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Geoff Notkin
>>>>
>>>>Science writer interested in actual science and real 
>>>>meteorites</fixed></x-rich>
>>>>
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