[meteorite-list] willamette iron meteorite

[Grant L. Elliott]

Elton,
Well said!! From those of us who "might own" a small piece of this 
meteorite/ artifact. I've never seen Beaver pelts used in trade-
Grant Elliott

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "E. L. Jones" <jonee at epix.net>
To: "Steve Arnold, Chicago!!!" <steve_arnol60120 at yahoo.com>
Cc: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 2:47 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] willamette iron meteorite


>I doubt there is any that is legally available for collectors now that the 
>Feds have stepped in. I am pretty sure all the Willamette meteorite is 
>claimed and ratified by a US Federal Court as a native religious artifact 
>by the consolidated tribes in Oregon and thus subject to return to them. 
>They have claimed ownership of the <ahem>"main mass" in the New York 
>Planetarium and in a legal agreement they have placed the main mass on loan 
>rather than tear down the whole thing to get it out.
>
> If it just came from Europe-- Shouldn't it be seized in customs?  Sure it 
> is a ittsy bitty amount-- 45 grams  as compared to the main mass but those 
> Native Americans were pretty successful and almost made the City of New 
> York tear down the planetarium.  I don't think they would tear down your 
> house , Steve.  However now that they know you know where it is they will 
> probably ask the FBI to seize it  since it has been recognized in a US 
> Court as a native artifact.  But if it were me I'd go for it and fight 
> them in court.  You might fair better being a single individual rather 
> than being the city of New York.
>
> You might be able to get the recognized owners to let you keep it on loan 
> if you can trade them beaver pelts or something else they need.  Maybe you 
> could buy it and let the contact in Europe keep it for you and you can go 
> visit it.  I don't think the US law directly applies to Europeans.  To get 
> an artifact returned for overseas the owner has to go  through a UN Agency 
> and it would take a few years for them to act maybe.
>
> Good Luck  Let us know how the trade goes.
> EJ
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> Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! wrote:
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>>Hi list.I need some info on the willamette meteorite.I know according to
>>meteorites A to z, IT SAYS,a IIIAB iron, found 1902, clackamas
>>co.,oregon.TKW is 14.100 kilo's.But what I need to know, is what is the
>>availability in collections around the world.I am making another major
>>trade from my collection, and I'll be getting a 45 gram slice of the
>>willamette iron.And no it is not shale.I have seen the actual piece.The
>>only history I know of this piece,is that it was in a major  collection in
>>europe.And now resides up here in the states.If anyone can help please let
>>me know when you can.
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>>                                                    steve
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