[meteorite-list] BCC "Meteorites" [was Milestones] PLEASE READ

Tue Nov 23 08:05:54 EST 2004

I doubt many Dirk Ross write this....

>From: "S. Ray DeRusse" <srd at ispwest.com>
>To: geoking at notkin.net
>CC: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] BCC "Meteorites" [was Milestones] PLEASE READ
>Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 06:20:16 -0600
>
>Greetings List;
>
>	I would like respond to Mr. Notkin. Mr. Notkin you prove that if you wnat 
>to get your facts straight you have to go to the source. Yes we did file a 
>lawsuit sometime back against numerous individuals when we discovered they 
>interfering with some others we were working with on the meteorite project. 
>Its a well known fact that certain individuals have been operating against 
>us.
>	You obviously were lied to by your friend we sued. WE filed a motion to 
>dismiss the lawsuit after two of the defendants agreed to complete their 
>contracts with us. WE did it, no Judge dismissed anything. We filed a 
>motion to dismiss without prejudice that means we can go back at anytime. 
>Do you understand that? We instructed the Assistant Attorney General to 
>draft it up, we signed it and filed it once two of the defendants came 
>forward to spill the beans. We that means us Mr. Notkin.
>	Now as far the samples, and being told nicely about anything. First of all 
>if the samples were not authentic why would UT try to steal the ones that 
>were in left in the lab with them? It was not until we blew the whistle on 
>them that this controversy began to get out of hand. If you think that all 
>scientists are honest and do not lie, cheat, and steal, having same, 
>similar or different motives, Mr. Notkin I have news for you, you too are 
>in living world that does not exist. I would hope that you know the 
>difference between a typographical error and an actual misspelling, but for 
>some people, thinking on their own is a lot of work. Good luck Mr. Notkin 
>and I really mean that.
>
>Here's an entirely differenct viewpoint from Dirk Ross
>
>Dear Mr. DeRusse,
>   I have been doing research since 1980.  But, my last
>research was last year at Yamaguchi University in
>Japan.
>   I have read most of your writings on the internet.
>You certainly are an educated person.  I can
>understand your wish for students and scientists to
>think "outside" of the box.  I agree with you on this
>point.  I always ask and demand my students to think
>independently so that science can advance what is
>known.
>   I apologize for my initial judgement about you
>before knowing more about the whole story. Keep up
>your search for fact.  About truth, I leave that for
>God.   Sincerely, Dirk Ross...Tokyo
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>
>S. Ray DeRusse and Bill Cutler
>www.bccmeteorites.com
>
>
>
>Notkin wrote:
>><x-rich><fixed>Jonathan posted:
>>
>>
>>>  I'm back on the list. What is BCC meteorites about? I have heard a lot 
>>>about it and read their site but I still don't understand. Odd.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Dear Jonathan and Fellow Listees:
>>
>>
>>Jonathan, yes you are absolutely right. It is very "odd" and nobody else 
>>understands their site either because their site is nonsense.
>>
>>
>>I would like all my fellow List members to be made aware of something 
>>important: These BCC "Meteorites" characters filed an actual lawsuit 
>>against a number of prominent, respected and very well-liked senior 
>>meteoriticists here in the U.S (one of whom is a personal friend of mine). 
>>The suit was -- of course -- thrown out by the judge for being utterly 
>>frivolous. It's just too bad these clowns weren't heavily fined for 
>>wasting court time.
>>
>>
>>BCC "Meteorites" seems to believe that there's some kind of high-level 
>>conspiracy/cover-up going on between NASA and major meteoritical 
>>institutions -- all because BCC "Meteorites" have been told (nicely and 
>>repeatedly) that the junk items they dig out of their bog, or whatever, in 
>>Texas are not actually fossilized alien brains, UFO warp core spare parts, 
>>Lunar meteorites, Dick Tracy wrist watch radios, etc., but just plain old 
>>dull terrestrial rocks. I think we all enjoy a good eccentric, and the 
>>whole thing would have been somewhat amusing in a "Benny Hill" sort of way 
>>if these guys hadn't been really nasty to some really nice people during 
>>their imaginary scientific journey.
>>
>>
>>We have our squabbles on the List from time to time, but we are all united 
>>in our interest in the SCIENCE of meteoritics. The 
>>technobabble/gobbledygook pseudo-science offered up on the BCC 
>>"Meteorites" website -- and written, I might add, in appalling elementary 
>>school English so laden with spelling errors and grammatical mistakes that 
>>you couldn't follow their argument even if it *were* sound -- should not 
>>be allowed promotion here on the Meteorite List. Novice collectors, still 
>>learning about meteorites, might be hoodwinked into believing some of the 
>>fatuous claims that are made on the BCC website.
>>
>>
>>So, I strongly suggest that we -- as a community -- block the email 
>>addresses of these guys DeRusse and Cutler immediately and permanently. 
>>They just want attention, and the best way to eradicate this kind of fake 
>>science rubbish is to ignore the perpetrators entirely. They'll likely get 
>>bored and wander off to some UFO conspiracy theory/Creationist mailing 
>>list of which -- unfortunately -- there are probably several. A request 
>>from a few of you to List Moderator Art Jones ( 
>>listman at meteoritecentral.com ) to have them removed from the List wouldn't 
>>hurt either.
>>
>>
>>Oh, and BTW, if you look at the first photo on their website, the guy with 
>>the white gloves looks like "Dr. No."   : )
>>
>>
>>
>>Not at all respectfully,
>>
>>
>>Geoff Notkin
>>
>>Science writer interested in actual science and real 
>>meteorites</fixed></x-rich>
>>
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