[meteorite-list] [Fwd: Re: [meteoritecollectorsassociation] North West Arizona Meteorite Unclassified ?]

[David Freeman]

(forwarded from Yahoo groups meteoritecollectorsassociation list)

Dear Mark, Ken, Christian, and List;
We have seen this week already, some interesting occurrences in the 
meteorite community.
First we see a known collector buy a suspected meteorite and find out 
that it probably wasn't a meteorite and now, we have some of the 
Franconia coming to market and not classified. Or, this is what it 
appears at the moment.

Is there a solution to the situations involving  unclassified 
meteorites?  Let the buyer beware is a good way to go but, is there more 
that could be offered?  Heck, one day we may all be offering up 
unclassified meteorites if we get into a strewnfield of our own and need 
a few bucks faster than science can produce classifications.  How much 
science COULD be lost by selling these unclassified's before their time?
Would it be in order for the IMCA to offer up an opinion for it's 
members to  strive to follow concerning buying and selling 
unclassified's (excluding  common NWA'S*?* ) or is that beyond the scope 
of  "meteorites and honesty" that we have pledged to uphold?  I feed 
there is a point when the collector/person in purchasing mode needs to 
do homework, and be very timid at
throwing money and encouragement to unclassified's BUT where do we as a 
society go from here?  If one unclassified rarity escapes to the 
collectors, and has the holy grail in it's innards......what to do then?
I think that the issues following unclassified's will live on for a long 
time and may have no answers.  Maybe the sellers and buyers in the 
unclassified markets could come up with a universally accepted short 
clause consisting of "...this is supposed to be a meteorite, return if 
 not a meteorite.  It is offered as unclassified and unnamed (because it 
isn't named), and  field data will be provided with accords to Long. 
Lat, ground surface conditions, etc., for future classification, blah, 
blah, blah".     I feel a short four sentence universal disclaimer and 
agreement to save some science may be a good tool to chew around.

 I hope I have offered a little food to chew on with out feeding any 
ducks.  I have heard that schooling ducks is wise, but then, I thought 
ducks were herded and fishes were schooled.

Are we open for debating this issue?

Dave Freeman
Wyoming Meteorite Recovery Team Leader

MARK BOSTICK wrote:

> Hello Christian,
>
>  
>
> If you notice he lives in Kingman, Arizona.  I researched him and the 
> meteorites a little last week.  They appear to be meteorites from the 
> Franconia strewn field.  Maybe not all the regular red-black H 
> Franconia? 
>
>  
>
> One of the Franconia hunters has advised him where to hunt, a little 
> on how to sell them and was interested in purchasing a few of them.  I 
> think they are just mostly poor photographs.
>
>  
>
> Mark Bostick
>
>     ----- Original Message -----
>
>     From: Christian Anger
>
>     Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 7:35 AM
>
>     To: meteoritecollectorsassociation at yahoogroups.com
>
>     Subject: [meteoritecollectorsassociation] North West Arizona
>     Meteorite Unclassified ?
>
>      
>
>     Hi members,
>
>     have a look at the second pic showing the cut face.
>     Looks like NWA 869 (or pairing) to me:
>
>     http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?
>     ViewItem&category=3239&item=2242808122&rd=1
>
>     Does anyone know this guy, since he seems to be new at ebay
>     and he is not MCA member ? The description is very short
>     and I have doubt about that this is should be an Arizona meteorite.
>
>     best,
>
>     Christian
>
>     IMCA 2673
>     www.austromet.com
>
>
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