[meteorite-list] Pellissons, the truth about their lies
joseph_town at att.net
joseph_town at att.net
Thu Dec 9 05:48:51 EST 2004
"Biased and don't care either way." That's my last stupid remark of the day, at least this morning,
Bill waves
-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "The Earth's Memory" <info at meteorite.fr>
> Dear List Members,
>
> as you can read the Pellison will never assume their acts.
> We can give you their answers without doubts as we have their attorney
> statements and all the documents in hands:
>
> 1) Did you use names and parts of private mails out of context to try to
> convict the Judge
> that meteorites have a link with Al Queda ?
> - "Yes we did, the list of names that Bruno & Carine provide you have been
> involved
> front of the Lyon's Court as supporters of terrorism." (list still available
> at the end of this mail)
>
> 2) -"Yes, the next day we have been sentenced we sent two documents totaling
> 64 pages
> to all the medias, Institutions and Ministers, in these documents, false
> statements and letters; In this way
> we did try to show that scientists are corrupt and get money from NWA
> dealers to
> launder meteorites and meteorites funding."
>
> 3) Did you contact the Interior's Minister and Court des Comptes as well as
> Customs offices ?
> -"Yes, we did , we are stating (word to word) in all our documents, the
> whole list of rare NWA
> as well as people names have been transmitted."
>
> 4) did you declared in a big French's newspaper that BIN LADEN IN PERSON
> came to Morocco
> to fix the details of the meteorite business ?
> -"Yes, we did , do you want to read it ?"
>
> 5) what else did you do that will hurt the others in the future ?
> -"Well, this you will ALL discover soon, as it's a surprise
> we can't tell you now, surprises are always so sweet....."
>
> So this is what we can tell from their written declarations. All these
> officials papers
> will be at the Inn Suites in Tucson. Pass by, have a look, make your own
> idea of the
> danger. As some of you wrote us: we all have to wake up and see the
> IMMENSITY
> of the potential negative results of the actions of the Pellissons. This is
> the first time in
> meteorites history that a threat between two parts (and we didn't begin
> anything as we
> don't mind about other's stories as far as they don't attack us) will have
> hard consequences
> for everybody.
>
> Pelisons, we already ship our material, it's in storage in Tucson, don't
> waste your time
> to send pictures and lists to Ministers and Customs. We already have been
> investigated in all
> ways even by tax people.... we are 100% fed up by your madness. Go back to
> Libya to
> steel other's ellipses (as you did for the German's CO3 and AEUC-P....).
> It's not the other's
> fault if you never found something of interest and you have to understand
> that the
> scientists are fine with NWA specimens, it's the first time in history that
> so much affordable
> specimens are available for science, it will grow up Human Beeing's
> knowledge.
>
> To establish the Truth,
>
> Bruno & Carine
> www.meteorite.ch
>
> PS: we are leaving to Japan Tuesday so Mrss if you have anything to say do
> it now
> and not like you did three times in the past (cf last Tucson show), a knife
> in the back is not fair.
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "The Earth's Memory" <info at meteorite.fr>
> To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 6:29 PM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Pellisson,the best of hypocrisy
>
>
> > Mr Pellissons,
> >
> > we finally found the way of emailing directly to the list... we don't
> >
> > hide anywhere and don't have to answer that kind of small remarks...
> >
> >
> >
> > A lot of people would like YOU to answer these questions :
> >
> > -Didn't you use names and parts of private mails to try to convict the
> Judge
> > that meteorites have a link with Al Queda ?
> >
> > -The 9 march of this year (the day you have been sentenced guilty by
> Lyon's
> > Court)
> > didn't you send to major medias
> > a 64 pages document of lies involving half of the scientists and
> collectors
> > (you must have spend a whole month to invent that !)
> >
> > -Didn't you contact the Interior's Minister and Court des Comptes as well
> as
> > Customs offices ?
> >
> > -You're stating that nothing is illegally done front of the Court, but
> your
> > attorney
> >
> > present part of mails out of context where you are 100% lying. You even
> > declared
> > in a big French's newspaper that BIN LADEN IN PERSON came to Morocco
> > to fix the details of the meteorite business .....
> >
> >
> > For all of this we have the papers in hands and Court statements !
> >
> >
> >
> > You are involving just everybody and worst we know only the surface of the
> > iceberg, what else did you do that will hurt the others in the future ?
> >
> >
> > Answer these questions front of the people you are using to build
> > your lies !
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Dear List Members, can you imagine the consequences of such declarations ?
> >
> >
> >
> > They said that no scientists are publishing on NWA, that all scientists
> are
> > calling
> >
> > NWA meteorite "bastard child". They are speaking in the name of the Nom
> > Com....
> >
> >
> >
> > They did present themselves as scientists witch they are not,
> > they are speaking on the name of the entire community
> > but nobody ever give them this right.
> >
> >
> >
> > We ask all of you to react NOW, because if you don't you will be stop at
> >
> > Customs with the possibility to lose everything, in some countries some
> > could go
> >
> > in jail and have your names link with terrorism in major medias and
> google,
> > tax people will
> >
> > open files on ebay sales and money transfer... etc...
> >
> >
> >
> > What a great program, thank you to the pellissons your jealousy drive you
> > to the worst acts.
> >
> >
> >
> > You can all do something, don't just wait and see: you can write a letter
> > that will tell the Judge
> >
> > the truth on whom the pellison are. If you have in file mails or anything
> > from them
> >
> > stating anything about Sahara meteorites, forward them to us as this
> >
> > could be very helpful for establishing the Truth.
> >
> >
> >
> > We all know that these are only lies but their false documents can convict
> >
> > some people whom don't know anything about meteoritic, we saw some
> >
> > journalists and Customs officers taking this very seriously. It's time
> >
> > to stop these mad guys now and the only way is to use Justice.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > You can write either publicly on this list or privately to this address:
> >
> > lies-of-pellisson at meteorite.fr
> >
> >
> >
> > Meteorite collecting is pointed out as the worst think but
> >
> > History will retain who was in witch part of the fight.
> >
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > Bruno & Carine
> > La Memoire de la Terre Sarl
> > The Earth's Memory LLC
> > France
> > www.meteorite.fr
> > www.fossile.fr
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <SaharaTeam at aol.com>
> > To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> > Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 11:30 PM
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Pellisson, the end of a free meteorite
> hobby?
> >
> >
> > > Let us explain the French problem with B. Fectay/C. Bidaut
> > >
> > > Bruno Fectay and Carine Bidaut have sued us in March 2004 for libel. It
> > is
> > > "only" a civil action between B. Fectay/C. Bidaut and us to claim for
> > > damages.
> > > Now we are also claiming for damages against them.
> > >
> > > It will take several months to the justice before to return a verdict.
> > > As you can imagine, nothing is illegally done in front of the court :
> > > private emails are not admissible.
> > > And "nobody" can be summoned to appear in a civil action.
> > >
> > > All the remarks and all the publicity which have been given to this
> > affair
> > > are the consequences of this civil action.
> > >
> > > Regarding our web page on NWA meteorites, the French court decided in
> our
> > > favor:
> > > "Il ne peut être contesté que le débat sur les lieux de découvertes des
> > > météorites est légitime et présente un intérêt scientifique. La même
> > > légitimité doit être reconnue pour les discussions sur le transport et
> > les
> > > opérations commerciales relatives à ces météorites"
> > >
> > > We hope that everybody can return to his passion. And we wish that
> those
> > > interested by the subject will wait for the official decision.
> > > And if Bruno Fectay has something to express why does he needs to write
> > > through N. Classen and not with his own email ?
> > >
> > >
> > > For those who want to know more about us and our work on Saharan
> > > strewnfields, you can browse our web pages:
> > > http://www.SaharaMet.com
> > >
> > > And our 2003 expedition on Mauritanian craters:
> > > http://www.saharamet.com/expedition/2003/craters.html
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > > Richard and Roland Pelisson
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Norbert Classen" <trifid at timewarp.de>
> > > To: "meteorite-list" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> > > Cc: "La Memoire de la Terre" <info at meteorite.fr>
> > > Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 6:38 AM
> > > Subject: [meteorite-list] Pellisson, the end of a free meteorite hobby?
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi All,
> > > >
> > > > I'm forwarding this message on behalf of Bruno & Carine.
> > > > They are having problems to post to the list, and thus they
> > > > asked me for assistance. Please read below.
> > > >
> > > > BTW, I believe their message to be of major importance to
> > > > us all. We shouldn't allow a few rotten apples to spoil our
> > > > hobby - so please read what Bruno & Carine have to say since
> > > > it affects us all, and a few of us, more directly.
> > > >
> > > > If you want to take action, please contact Bruno & Carine in
> > > > that matter. You may reach them via: info at meteorite.fr
> > > >
> > > > Best,
> > > > Norbert
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > >
> > > > Dear List Members,
> > > >
> > > > this subject is of high interest as it will affect all of us
> > > > including the scientists. What the Pellissons are doing is just
> > > > unbelievable, they already did contact the French interior
> > > > Ministry as well as the Customs offices in different countries.
> > > > They are linking the meteorite community to terrorism in different
> > > > ways.
> > > >
> > > > They did send to major medias a 64 pages document full of crap
> > > > with parts of YOUR private and public mails to try to establish
> > > > that nobody but themselves have the right to sell meteorites!!
> > > >
> > > > Be aware than in a close future we will all have problems shipping
> > > > or crossing borders with meteorites, thanks to them!
> > > > Just try a Google search for "money for terrorism" and you will get
> > > > straight to their page, listed in first place.... see it here:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.google.fr/search?hl=fr&q=%22money+for+terrorism%22&meta=
> > > >
> > > > They are using metanames and cross linking
> > > > with pages about horrible things just to attract interest on them.
> > > >
> > > > You all know that we did bring them to court, they already have been
> > > > sentenced in emergency during the last Tucson show. Now we are
> driving
> > > > them to serious things, we received their list of pseudo arguments
> > > > from our attorneys.
> > > >
> > > > Here is the list of the people they are involving in front of the
> Judge
> > > > and the Lyon's Court (the second biggest in France), they are using
> > > > parts of your public and private emails to try to explain why
> > meteorites
> > > > (except of their own) are funding terrorism.
> > > >
> > > > Warning: be aware that these documents are used to prove that either
> > > > you 100% agree with them and support their ideas or that you are
> > involved
> > > > in funding islamist networks......
> > > >
> > > > Privates:
> > > > Mr Bernd Pauli
> > > > Mr Eric Twelker
> > > > Mr Art Jones
> > > > Mr Alain Carion
> > > > Mr Michael Farmer
> > > > Mr Michel Franco
> > > > Mr Aziz Habibi
> > > > Mr Nelson Oakes
> > > > Mr Bob Verish
> > > > Mr Greg and Adam Hupe
> > > > Mr Tracy Latimer
> > > > Mr Luc Labenne
> > > > Mr Dean Bessey
> > > > Mr Matteo Chinellato
> > > >
> > > > Scientists:
> > > > Dr Zenda
> > > > Dr Grossman
> > > > Dr Barrat
> > > > Dr Treiman
> > > > Dr Huss
> > > > Dr Gillet
> > > > Dr Jambon
> > > > Dr Bunch
> > > > the whole Meteoritical Society
> > > > the AMNH of New York
> > > > the MNHN of Paris
> > > >
> > > > And this is only a resume of the thing, it would take days to
> translate
> > > > the horrors they are building. As an example they are trying to
> explain
> > > > that the MNHN of Paris did send Michel Franco to build a new network
> > > > for funding Al Queda and they sent that to the French medias...
> > > >
> > > > What will be the next step? Child abuse? Drug traffic? If we don't
> stop
> > > > them now be sure everybody will get in trouble because of the
> wonderful
> > > > hobby we share: meteorites.
> > > >
> > > > As your names and private emails have been used by them in a public
> > > > court and have been transmitted to medias and Customs offices
> > > > worldwide, you have the right to ask them a translated copy of the
> way
> > > > they are using it, you can urge them by law to stop using your names
> > and
> > > > mails too....
> > > >
> > > > We stay available if you need further advices.
> > > >
> > > > Sorry to send such a terrible post, but the community should be aware
> > of
> > > > what is going on.
> > > >
> > > > Sincerely,
> > > >
> > > > Bruno & Carine
> > > > La Memoire de la Terre Sarl
> > > > The Earth's Memory LLC
> > > > France
> > > > www.meteorite.fr
> > > > www.fossile.fr
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "dean bessey" <deanbessey at yahoo.com>
> > > > To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 6:26 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] SaharaMet Expedition on meteorite
> impact
> > > > craters
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > This is from the pellison guys who says terrorists are
> > > > > being supported by you meteorite buyers.
> > > > > In court in France my own name was used in French
> > > > > court along with my postings to this list as evidence
> > > > > that I stated terrorists were being supported by our
> > > > > meteorite buys.
> > > > > Now I ask every member of this list? Where in the
> > > > > archaives do I provide evidence that Al Quada is
> > > > > supported by our buys? This is pure fabrication and
> > > > > efforts to drive everybody else out of the desert. I
> > > > > havent seen the court document but I suspect they have
> > > > > taken some of the moronic fights about exporting
> > > > > meteorites illegally from morocco that me, farmer, the
> > > > > hupes and others have sadly gotten involved in in our
> > > > > efforts to claim that "My meteorites are better than
> > > > > your meteorites" (Yes, I am as guilty as anybody in
> > > > > this "My meteorites are better than your meteorites"
> > > > > crap even though it is not possible to illegally
> > > > > export meteorites from morocco because there is no law
> > > > > in morocco saying that you cant do it - go to your
> > > > > local moroccan embassy if you want confirmation of
> > > > > what I am saying here).
> > > > > My suspicion is that they took things out of context
> > > > > and misquoted what was said taking things out of
> > > > > context.
> > > > > So lets see, we have a dealer who is known to have
> > > > > deliberately misquoted other people and lied about
> > > > > what was said in postings. We know that the pelissons
> > > > > are people with no scruples and have no hessitation
> > > > > about lying. If they willingly lie in court imagine
> > > > > what they would tell meteorite collectors. Tell me, is
> > > > > this the type of person that you would buy a meteorite
> > > > > from? They lied at least twice. How do you know that
> > > > > they are not lying when they tell you that they never
> > > > > bought a NWA in morocco from aid mohammad and instead
> > > > > of selling it for 20 cents a gram like I would do if I
> > > > > bought a NWA from aid mohammad, they offer it to you
> > > > > at $2 a gram as their own find? They lied once in a
> > > > > very orchastrated court fraud and made up a story that
> > > > > meteorite funds are supporting terrorism.
> > > > > Does known fakers really need three strikes to be out?
> > > > > If you pay more than 15 cents a gram for a pellisson
> > > > > meteorite you are buying something from people with no
> > > > > more trustworthyness than dealing with a lot of the
> > > > > moroccans. The pellisons meteorites have no more known
> > > > > about them than if you buy my 20 cent NWAs. You dont
> > > > > know where they are from.
> > > > > And yes, I really am pissed off because my name was
> > > > > used in french court in a fabricated court case.
> > > > > Sincerely
> > > > > DEAN
> > > > >
> > > > > --- SaharaMet <SaharaTeam at aol.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > A new page on our desert trips:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > - Mauritanian Sahara expedition
> > > > > > - Temimichat and Tenoumer impact craters
> > > > > > - panoramic views of the craters
> > > > > > (4000x650 pixels)
> > > > > > - impactites and shocked granitic rocks
> > > > > > - story of the journey
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Go to:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://www.saharamet.com/expedition/2003/crater.html
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Richard & Roland Pelisson
> > > > > > SaharaMet
> > > > > > Sahara expeditions and great meteorite discoveries
> > > > > > http://www.saharamet.com
> > > >
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