[meteorite-list] Pellisson,the best of hypocrisy
Michael Farmer
meteoritehunter at comcast.net
Wed Dec 8 19:42:47 EST 2004
Mr. Pellison,
Bruno Fectay and I don't often see eye to eye, neither of us will likely
send the other a Christmas card, but we agree on one thing, and that is that
you are the biggest threat to the meteorite world.
I mean come on, Bin Laden actually organizing the meteorite trade in
Morocco? A guy with tens or hundreds of millions of dollars, and he needs to
meddle with the pathetic meteorite trade? Please............
As far as the "kind Nomads" who shared tea with me, they were very
nice nomads, and as you well know, Nomads are in no shortage anywhere in the
Moroccan Sahara. They live there, it is not my concern where they live or
why, there were many of them, I sat in their home, ate their food, played
with their children. Are you now suggesting that they are terrorists? Maybe
they don't like being harassed by military, like most people in the world.
Maybe they don't like that fact that just about every Moroccan soldier or
policeman want Baksheesh (bribes) for everything from looking at them wrong
to walking on the side of the road.
Maybe you should seek medical help, you are obsessed with the idea that you
and only you can find meteorites.
By the way, you have answered absolutely NONE of the questions posed to you
by many members of this community. Why? No answer usually suggest guilt, or
lack of a good answer to support your case.
Michael Farmer
----- Original Message -----
From: <SaharaTeam at aol.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 3:12 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Pellisson,the best of hypocrisy
Mr. Fectay, we have still answered about these points (see below).
But could you explain to the list why when people make a search on
google.com with the french words :
"Mike Farmer meteorites illegales"
or
"Alain Carion meteorites illegales"
They arrive on your answer to a journalist at who you explain :
http://www.maroc-hebdo.press.ma/MHinternet/Archives_575/html_575/4rue.html
"vous pourriez citer d'autres personnes qui, elles n'ont pas de preuves
d'export: Mike Farmer (météorite lunaire d'un kilo), les frères Pellisson
qui ont
500 Kg de météorites marocaines illégales, Alain Carion qui a des centaines
de kilos de météorites du Maroc, etc. Nous attendons votre réaction avant
de
saisir l'avocat de notre société. Pour faire Valoir ce que de droit."
Bruno Fectay
Perhaps could you translate in English your answer to this journalist and
share with the list your idea of what is "the best of hypocrisy"
------------
About our web page, when we see the misadventure which happened at Mike
during his last trip, it's natural to ask the question :
Who are these "kind" nomads who share the tea with him one day, and the
other day drive at full speed in a military place to escape at a patrol
with the
risk to explode in a minefield or to be shoot by another patrol?
What his the reason of their quick change of attitude when they have been
discovered at 2 km of the Algeria border, near the mined wall?
See Mike recent email, title :
[meteorite-list] Morocco new fall news
> We had planned a
> careful search, but one of the Moroccans spotted a military patrol coming
so
> we packed up quickly and fled. It is very flat there, nowhere to hide.
They
> chased us for about 2 hours but we were too far ahead and they could not
> catch up, but it was close enough for me........Mike"
Richard and Roland Pelisson
-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: SaharaTeam at aol.com
> We have put this web page explaining the situation of NWA meteorites for
a
> good reason :
> http://www.saharamet.com/meteorite/data/Sahara/Nwa.html
>
> 1) the situation of terrorism is dramatic in Algeria and there is an
> open
> link with contraband. See these recent posts of Mike on the mailing with
the
> title :"Re: [meteorite-list] news from Algeria" and "[meteorite-list]
Algeria"
> :
>
> > Yep, things are getting a little scary out in Islamland.
> > Why anyone would go to Algeria I dont know. The Army of God terrorist
> group
> > is still hacking people up there on a daily basis.
>
> > Michel, are you suggesting that massacres do not happen in Algeria?
Tens
> of
> > thousands are dead over the decade.
> > I can pull up hundreds of articles on the bombings, entire villages
> murdered
> > etc.
> > Mike
>
> 2) meteorites bought in Morocco are coming from Algeria, Libya and up to
> Egypt for their majority. It's the case of NWA 482 and 2046 of Mike for
> example.
> And for his recent trip, when we see that he has been driven right on
> the
> Algeria border to find the original seller... for us this seller seems
coming
> from Algeria (nomads with their flocks don't live in a minefield... in
the
> other case, after one week, there will be no more flock in live).
>
> 3) the potential for meteorite prospecting in Morocco is very limited
> and
> the border with Algeria is officially closed since 1994. For protecting
Morocco
> from army groups coming from Algeria there's a double wall of earth
created
> by bulldozer and mined : one million mines !!!. It's a military place
where
> it's forbidden to go. It's what Mike has described in his recent trip
with the
> title :
> [meteorite-list] Morocco new fall news
>
> > .....That is
> > when the Moroccans told me that this was a military-only, prohibited
zone,
> > and that we were not allowed there! I of course got a little concerned
> > (especially when we saw several mine-fields. We were driving
cross-country
> > at night with no lights, only by full moonlight, (not a safe thing in
an
> old
> > war zone where mine-fields are still around).
> > The next morning we arrived at the tent of the nomad who found the
> > pallasite. He led us there, over the berm and military fighting
> emplacements
> > to the site, Algeria was only about 2 kilometers away.......Mike"
>
> So read our web page, you will see that it contains lots of things that
> dealers have still noticed. But it's sure that for us meteorites are
> also
a
> world
> patrimony which could be protected under the UNESCO laws :
> http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/metsoc2001/pdf/5150.pdf
>
> Just for comparison : 20 kg of Martian meteorites have been discovered
> in
> hot desert by systematic prospectors who share full documentation,
photos, GPS
> localization... and only 3 kg have been discovered by NWA approach.
> Coordinates are important to find paired specimen, a world patrimony is
lost.
>
> Richard and Roland Pelisson
>
>
>
> --- SaharaTeam at aol.com wrote:
>
> > Let us explain the French problem with B. Fectay/C.
> > Bidaut
> >
> > Bruno Fectay and Carine Bidaut have sued us in March
> > 2004 for libel. It is
> > "only" a civil action between B. Fectay/C. Bidaut
> > and us to claim for
> > damages.
> > Now we are also claiming for damages against them.
> >
> > It will take several months to the justice before to
> > return a verdict.
> > As you can imagine, nothing is illegally done in
> > front of the court :
> > private emails are not admissible.
> > And "nobody" can be summoned to appear in a civil
> > action.
> >
> > All the remarks and all the publicity which have
> > been given to this affair
> > are the consequences of this civil action.
> >
> > Regarding our web page on NWA meteorites, the French
> > court decided in our
> > favor:
> > "Il ne peut être contesté que le débat sur les lieux
> > de découvertes des
> > météorites est légitime et présente un intérêt
> > scientifique. La même
> > légitimité doit être reconnue pour les discussions
> > sur le transport et les
> > opérations commerciales relatives à ces météorites"
> >
> > We hope that everybody can return to his passion.
> > And we wish that those
> > interested by the subject will wait for the official
> > decision.
> > And if Bruno Fectay has something to express why
> > does he needs to write
> > through N. Classen and not with his own email ?
> >
> >
> > For those who want to know more about us and our
> > work on Saharan
> > strewnfields, you can browse our web pages:
> > http://www.SaharaMet.com
> >
> > And our 2003 expedition on Mauritanian craters:
> >
> http://www.saharamet.com/expedition/2003/craters.html
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Richard and Roland Pelisson
> >
> >
>
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