[meteorite-list] Response to the Pellissons
David Freeman
dfreeman at fascination.com
Sat Dec 4 22:46:39 EST 2004
Dear Michael;
You have echoed my sentiments exactly. I may point out that a few
years ago, a well known meteorite person was caught thieving meteorites
from a certain country and his name was not spoken in meteorite circles
for a very long time and is not today a welcomed member of our
fraternity. I think that his lesson was just. I feel that maybe this
same type of treatment of the pelicans may very well be just.
Pelican, a sea buzzard that has a gut so full of dead fish that it can
no longer soar...mmm. Maybe a slang name change is due since we already
have "one whose name we do not speak"?
Best,
Dave Freeman
Michael L Blood wrote:
>Mr. & Mr. Pellisson,
> I consider the situation the meteorite community is facing due
>to your actions so sever I have given this 24 hours of thought before
>responding. I did not want to "over react" or take unwarranted action.
>I consulted with close friends on the list, asking for feedback, etc.
>Finally, I find the following response modest, given the circumstances
>you have created and which we now all face:
> I have been to you web site, sirs, from the link you provided in
>your post to the list:
>http://www.SaharaMet.com
>>From the main page, I then clicked on "NWA
>contraband" which took me to:
>http://www.saharamet.com/meteorite/data/Sahara/Nwa.html
>from which the following is a direct and exact quote:
>--
>"Smugglers, dealers, investors, all the people who buy, sell, trade and
>publish documents about these meteorites want to conceal the truth. As long
>as the collectors believe that unknown hunters wish to keep the locations of
>their finds secret, that all these meteorites are good for science and a
>good purchase, the business will go on! The plundering of North Africa, the
>support to organized smuggling rings, the financing of terrorism..."
>--
> Besides for impeaching pretty much everyone on the list in the
>above statement, you have reportedly individually used the names of a good
>many people for whom I hold deep respect not the least of whom include
>Bernd Pauli, Art Jones and Jeff Grossman in an attempt to "prove" everyone
>having anything to do with NWA meteorites - except yourselves, is
>contributing to terrorists. While it is no secret I am strongly anti war, I
>non the less passionately support the safety of people serving this
>country and most certainly consider all terrorists the enemy of all
>civilized humans. For you to claim the meteorite community supports
>terrorists - for your personal ends is utterly reprehensible.
> The amount of potential damage resulting from your outrageous claim
>is is yet to be seen, but is certainly incalculable in scope.
> Unless you immediately remove this atrocity from your site, to you I
>say, a permanent "good day."
> Why anyone on this list would have anything to do with you or your
>business while you continue to host this on your site is beyond me entirely.
> As long as you maintain this wretched propaganda as part of your
>site (or anywhere else) under no circumstances will I purchase from you or
>speak to you or in any way whatsoever support any business conducted by
>you. Remove that site and then I will listen to what you have to say. Until
>then:
> If you post to this list, I will not respond or acknowledge your
>post. If you show up in Tucson, I will not enter your room. If you show up
>at my auction, I will have security remove you.
> Take down the site. Now.
> Good day, Michael Blood
>PS: Anyone else care to let the Pellisons know how much business from them
>they can expect as long as this atrocious portion of their site remains?
>
>
>on 12/3/04 2:30 PM, SaharaTeam at aol.com at SaharaTeam at aol.com wrote:
>
>>Let us explain the French problem with B. Fectay/C. Bidaut
>>
>>Bruno Fectay and Carine Bidaut have sued us in March 2004 for libel. It is
>>"only" a civil action between B. Fectay/C. Bidaut and us to claim for
>>damages.
>>Now we are also claiming for damages against them.
>>
>>It will take several months to the justice before to return a verdict.
>>As you can imagine, nothing is illegally done in front of the court :
>>private emails are not admissible.
>>And "nobody" can be summoned to appear in a civil action.
>>
>>All the remarks and all the publicity which have been given to this affair
>>are the consequences of this civil action.
>>
>>Regarding our web page on NWA meteorites, the French court decided in our
>>favor:
>>"Il ne peut être contesté que le débat sur les lieux de découvertes des
>>météorites est légitime et présente un intérêt scientifique. La même
>>légitimité doit être reconnue pour les discussions sur le transport et les
>>opérations commerciales relatives à ces météorites"
>>
>>We hope that everybody can return to his passion. And we wish that those
>>interested by the subject will wait for the official decision.
>>And if Bruno Fectay has something to express why does he needs to write
>>through N. Classen and not with his own email ?
>>
>>
>>For those who want to know more about us and our work on Saharan
>>strewnfields, you can browse our web pages:
>>http://www.SaharaMet.com
>>
>>And our 2003 expedition on Mauritanian craters:
>>http://www.saharamet.com/expedition/2003/craters.html
>>
>>Best regards,
>>Richard and Roland Pelisson
>>
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Norbert Classen" <trifid at timewarp.de>
>>To: "meteorite-list" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>Cc: "La Memoire de la Terre" <info at meteorite.fr>
>>Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 6:38 AM
>>Subject: [meteorite-list] Pellisson, the end of a free meteorite hobby?
>>
>>
>>>Hi All,
>>>
>>>I'm forwarding this message on behalf of Bruno & Carine.
>>>They are having problems to post to the list, and thus they
>>>asked me for assistance. Please read below.
>>>
>>>BTW, I believe their message to be of major importance to
>>>us all. We shouldn't allow a few rotten apples to spoil our
>>> hobby - so please read what Bruno & Carine have to say since
>>>it affects us all, and a few of us, more directly.
>>>
>>>If you want to take action, please contact Bruno & Carine in
>>>that matter. You may reach them via: info at meteorite.fr
>>>
>>>Best,
>>> Norbert
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>
>>>Dear List Members,
>>>
>>>this subject is of high interest as it will affect all of us
>>>including the scientists. What the Pellissons are doing is just
>>>unbelievable, they already did contact the French interior
>>> Ministry as well as the Customs offices in different countries.
>>>They are linking the meteorite community to terrorism in different
>>> ways.
>>>
>>>They did send to major medias a 64 pages document full of crap
>>>with parts of YOUR private and public mails to try to establish
>>>that nobody but themselves have the right to sell meteorites!!
>>>
>>>Be aware than in a close future we will all have problems shipping
>>>or crossing borders with meteorites, thanks to them!
>>>Just try a Google search for "money for terrorism" and you will get
>>>straight to their page, listed in first place.... see it here:
>>>
>>> http://www.google.fr/search?hl=fr&q=%22money+for+terrorism%22&meta=
>>>
>>> They are using metanames and cross linking
>>>with pages about horrible things just to attract interest on them.
>>>
>>>You all know that we did bring them to court, they already have been
>>>sentenced in emergency during the last Tucson show. Now we are driving
>>>them to serious things, we received their list of pseudo arguments
>>>from our attorneys.
>>>
>>>Here is the list of the people they are involving in front of the Judge
>>>and the Lyon's Court (the second biggest in France), they are using
>>>parts of your public and private emails to try to explain why meteorites
>>>(except of their own) are funding terrorism.
>>>
>>>Warning: be aware that these documents are used to prove that either
>>>you 100% agree with them and support their ideas or that you are involved
>>>in funding islamist networks......
>>>
>>> Privates:
>>>Mr Bernd Pauli
>>>Mr Eric Twelker
>>>Mr Art Jones
>>>Mr Alain Carion
>>>Mr Michael Farmer
>>>Mr Michel Franco
>>>Mr Aziz Habibi
>>>Mr Nelson Oakes
>>>Mr Bob Verish
>>>Mr Greg and Adam Hupe
>>>Mr Tracy Latimer
>>>Mr Luc Labenne
>>>Mr Dean Bessey
>>>Mr Matteo Chinellato
>>>
>>> Scientists:
>>>Dr Zenda
>>>Dr Grossman
>>>Dr Barrat
>>>Dr Treiman
>>>Dr Huss
>>>Dr Gillet
>>>Dr Jambon
>>>Dr Bunch
>>>the whole Meteoritical Society
>>>the AMNH of New York
>>>the MNHN of Paris
>>>
>>>And this is only a resume of the thing, it would take days to translate
>>>the horrors they are building. As an example they are trying to explain
>>>that the MNHN of Paris did send Michel Franco to build a new network
>>>for funding Al Queda and they sent that to the French medias...
>>>
>>>What will be the next step? Child abuse? Drug traffic? If we don't stop
>>>them now be sure everybody will get in trouble because of the wonderful
>>>hobby we share: meteorites.
>>>
>>>As your names and private emails have been used by them in a public
>>>court and have been transmitted to medias and Customs offices
>>>worldwide, you have the right to ask them a translated copy of the way
>>>they are using it, you can urge them by law to stop using your names and
>>>mails too....
>>>
>>>We stay available if you need further advices.
>>>
>>>Sorry to send such a terrible post, but the community should be aware of
>>>what is going on.
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>>
>>>Bruno & Carine
>>>La Memoire de la Terre Sarl
>>>The Earth's Memory LLC
>>>France
>>> www.meteorite.fr
>>>www.fossile.fr
>>>
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "dean bessey" <deanbessey at yahoo.com>
>>> To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>>Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 6:26 PM
>>>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] SaharaMet Expedition on meteorite impact
>>>craters
>>>
>>>
>>>>This is from the pellison guys who says terrorists are
>>>>being supported by you meteorite buyers.
>>>>In court in France my own name was used in French
>>>>court along with my postings to this list as evidence
>>>>that I stated terrorists were being supported by our
>>>>meteorite buys.
>>>>Now I ask every member of this list? Where in the
>>>>archaives do I provide evidence that Al Quada is
>>>>supported by our buys? This is pure fabrication and
>>>> efforts to drive everybody else out of the desert. I
>>>>havent seen the court document but I suspect they have
>>>>taken some of the moronic fights about exporting
>>>>meteorites illegally from morocco that me, farmer, the
>>>>hupes and others have sadly gotten involved in in our
>>>>efforts to claim that "My meteorites are better than
>>>>your meteorites" (Yes, I am as guilty as anybody in
>>>>this "My meteorites are better than your meteorites"
>>>>crap even though it is not possible to illegally
>>>>export meteorites from morocco because there is no law
>>>>in morocco saying that you cant do it - go to your
>>>>local moroccan embassy if you want confirmation of
>>>>what I am saying here).
>>>>My suspicion is that they took things out of context
>>>>and misquoted what was said taking things out of
>>>>context.
>>>>So lets see, we have a dealer who is known to have
>>>>deliberately misquoted other people and lied about
>>>>what was said in postings. We know that the pelissons
>>>>are people with no scruples and have no hessitation
>>>>about lying. If they willingly lie in court imagine
>>>>what they would tell meteorite collectors. Tell me, is
>>>>this the type of person that you would buy a meteorite
>>>>from? They lied at least twice. How do you know that
>>>>they are not lying when they tell you that they never
>>>>bought a NWA in morocco from aid mohammad and instead
>>>>of selling it for 20 cents a gram like I would do if I
>>>>bought a NWA from aid mohammad, they offer it to you
>>>>at $2 a gram as their own find? They lied once in a
>>>>very orchastrated court fraud and made up a story that
>>>>meteorite funds are supporting terrorism.
>>>> Does known fakers really need three strikes to be out?
>>>>If you pay more than 15 cents a gram for a pellisson
>>>>meteorite you are buying something from people with no
>>>>more trustworthyness than dealing with a lot of the
>>>>moroccans. The pellisons meteorites have no more known
>>>>about them than if you buy my 20 cent NWAs. You dont
>>>>know where they are from.
>>>>And yes, I really am pissed off because my name was
>>>>used in french court in a fabricated court case.
>>>>Sincerely
>>>>DEAN
>>>>
>>>>--- SaharaMet <SaharaTeam at aol.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>A new page on our desert trips:
>>>>>
>>>>> - Mauritanian Sahara expedition
>>>>> - Temimichat and Tenoumer impact craters
>>>>> - panoramic views of the craters
>>>>> (4000x650 pixels)
>>>>> - impactites and shocked granitic rocks
>>>>> - story of the journey
>>>>>
>>>>>Go to:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.saharamet.com/expedition/2003/crater.html
>>>>>
>>>>>Richard & Roland Pelisson
>>>>>SaharaMet
>>>>>Sahara expeditions and great meteorite discoveries
>>>>> http://www.saharamet.com
>>>>>
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