Fw: [meteorite-list] benguerir fall

[Greg Hupe]

> Hi Martin and all,
>
> Only one thing to say here, the Moroccans do NOT consider the many 
> terrestrial rocks we all purchase in search of planetary meteorites, the 
> cost of flying there, the cost of commissions, bonuses, etc., etc., etc. 
> we pay for these. The cost of equipment, blades. polishing pads, 
> classifying, etc, etc.
>
> We take the risk, they reap the reward but will not consider our costs or 
> 'risks', financial or otherwise. I believe the Moroccan market will end 
> soon, why all this weird Moroccan behavior lately?? (anyone who has been 
> there more than a couple times or work with them, opinions??) It makes me 
> wonder if this is the last struggle to capitalize on their diminishing 
> recourse. I ask this out of my own experience and am not trying to start 
> something here.
>
> This is just the way the meteorite market world works in Morocco, they 
> play each of us against each other and they play each other. Like Dean 
> pointed out, we were told that Mike was just there buying up all of the 
> "new" material at $6.00 a gram so we better hurry up and offer more... I 
> just received an email today that my "buy price" is $2000.00 per kilo, or 
> $2.00 per gram. In two days the price has dropped by 66%. Amazing! I am 
> optimistic about this new fall, but cautionary at the same time. Is this a 
> new fall? Once I see actual material in my own hand, I can not say. I hope 
> so.
>
> If the Moroccans want to market their material directly to us, great, just 
> do it properly without the games. If this were to ever happen, we would 
> all have even less expensive NWA meteorites because those of us who deal 
> there would not have to include the costs involved in acquiring these 
> awesome finds.
>
> Just my two cents,
>
> Greg
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Martin Altmann" <Altmann at Meteorite-Martin.de>
> To: "McomeMeteorite Meteorite" <meteorites at hotmail.com>; 
> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 4:57 AM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] benguerir fall
>
>
>> Hiho,
>>
>> sometimes I mean to hear a certain tenor in that mails, which annotate, 
>> that
>> now the Morrocans ask to high prices.
>> Why should they not ask prices, which are closer to that, what a 
>> collector
>> has to pay?
>> Meteorites are meteorites, no matter where they fall. What is the 
>> difference
>> between a Park Forest and this new fall? Why is it o.k. to sell Park 
>> Forest
>> at 40$/g, as you may see on some webpages and this new fall should be to
>> expensive with it's 6$?
>> Why should we expect the Morrocans to continue to sell their meteorites 
>> at
>> prices of a small fraction of that, what you'll find on the dealers pages 
>> or
>> on ebay?
>> O.k. in general the stuff has no field data and one has to do the
>> classification and the preparation, but the prices at which they sold in
>> past the achondrites f.e. were often ridicolous compared to those, paid
>> later by the collectors (just take a look to the dealer's list).
>> They found the stones, they brought them to market and many of us made 
>> some
>> good bucks in reselling them.
>> Imagine, if from the beginning on the Marrocains would have sold it 
>> directly
>> on ebay to the collectors...
>> Of course 6$/g buying price is not attractive for resale, but as a
>> collector's price for a fresh new fall certainly not to high.
>> And in general, if they start to sell more expensive, the retail prices 
>> will
>> raise, the profit marge may be a little bit shorter for a certain time, 
>> but
>> all in all, demand&supply I learned here on the list, it stays the same 
>> for
>> the resellers.
>>
>> Or shall we regard the Morrocains because the living standard in Morrocco 
>> is
>> lower than in Europe and USA as impudent, because they ask now prices 
>> closer
>> to that here asked?
>> The approaching meteorite does not choose where to fall, Morrocans are 
>> not
>> second-class-people.
>> If one thinks, that it's to expensive - leave it and say just, bravo 
>> Matteo,
>> "no thanks" without complains.
>>
>> My thoughts.
>> (If a new OC will fall in my backyard, be sure that I ask more than 6 
>> bucks
>> per gram. O.k. if it's a large one, perhaps to the closest collector 
>> friends
>> and to those, who donated and helped in Romania, I would make a low 
>> price..)
>> Martin
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "McomeMeteorite Meteorite" <meteorites at hotmail.com>
>> To: <aziz_habibi at hotmail.com>; <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 8:01 AM
>> Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] benguerir fall
>>
>>
>>> $6/gr.? Exaggerated....moroccan people want to much now.....and I say 
>>> when
>>> the moroccans give to me in offer this material " no thanks, exaggerated
>>> price ".
>>>
>>> Matteo
>>
>>
>>
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