[meteorite-list] Clarifying some things

[Michel Franco]

Mike and all,

I was answering Dean about it.

The judgment will be most probably put online when all is finished. I have 
read the copies of what is allready judged. I cannot tell all but i can 
swear that the Pellisson lost and that it will costs them some k Euros.

About going down there in Saharan countries I think that in some years ( I 
should say few years ) we will all need permits to do what we do. No 
problem, we will get permits if they are requested. These countries rich in 
meteorites are organizing themselves to have laws. We, professionnal hunters 
and dealers, have the advantage to be totally official. You have proved your 
skills. I think that having a permit or a license to hunt for meteorites is 
the same as having a permit to hunt big game. Many game hunter still go in 
Africa to kill big animals. I have no public judgement about killing big 
animals, it's a meteorite list. The best way is to be as legal as possible. 
No more tourists will buy meteorites in Morocco! This will concentrate the 
market towards people that really do the job: have them analysed. And you 
will get real official paper to export. And this will also reinforce the 
market making it more legal and transparent. Everybody is noticing that the 
number of NWA on shows is diminuishing. The market is becoming more 
professionnal.

I may be wrong, but things are movin a lot in the Sahara and we will not 
have problems in the future, but we have to behave right with all these nice 
guys in the Sahara. They are and they will be for a long time the people 
that find 95% ( 99% ?) of the meteorites in the world. Today in each saharan 
or sub saharan country there is interest in meteorites. We cannot compete 
with them: they are good are looking in the country side and at 
distinguishing anomalies. We have the other skills to bring the best on the 
market, and science has its percentage or more. Nothing is lost. I am every 
positive about the effects of the NWA story. It will be an exemple soon for 
other countries. The way our community solves the problem will probably 
influence the decisions in many countries. Met Soc, IMCA and the list are 
sorting out many problems.
At the roight present time we shoudl be more careful to avaoid any  drama. 
The community does not need it. We are still fragiles. I will say: if you 
want to become a professionnal in meteorites, listen to the list and start a 
basic collection. you will build stonger bases and learn much more than 
going to Morocco to buy a lot of NWA.

Forget the Pellissons they are done for or will be soon. I translate "done 
for" for them as they lurk: done for is "foutus" in french)

Best regards

Michel.





----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Farmer" <meteoritehunter at comcast.net>
To: <Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>; <bernd.pauli at paulinet.de>
Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 6:17 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Clarifying some things


> Thanks Bernd, I think I get it. I did not study philosophy though in the 
> University.
> Life is not perfect, we should all get along but don't. The Pellisons are 
> a joke, but a dirty one that has the potential to come back to haunt us 
> all.
> What if they stir the pot so much that one of us goes to a North African 
> country and does not come back? Where will that put the collectors market? 
> Or how will it benefit the scientific world, who have benefited so much 
> from this gold rush of new meteorites of some of the rarest and never 
> before seen types?
> We have a saying in English,  "the squeaky wheel gets the grease" and the 
> Pellisons are doing a lot of squeaking.
> Michael Farmer
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <bernd.pauli at paulinet.de>
> To: <Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 4:09 AM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Clarifying some things
>
>
>> Martin wrote:
>>
>>> You may go on buying from those persons, ...
>>
>> Michel Franco wrote:
>>
>>> When you buy at Ps, you are buying in a duty free !!!
>>
>> I had quoted: "reality is less than perfect ... "
>>
>> and Mike responded:
>>
>>> What do you mean Bernd, did you not read their
>>> website? I just don't understand what you just wrote.
>>
>> Some clarifications are necessary here:
>>
>> 1) Martin and Michel, I have never bought a meteorite from the Pelissons
>>   - there is not one meteorite in my collection that comes from them.
>>
>> 2) Maybe I should not have quoted Mike's remark out of its proper context
>>   but I wanted to prevent mentioning any specific names from former 
>> rantings:
>>
>> The "reality is less than perfect ..." comment was taken from the 
>> preceding
>> commotion between an Italian list member and an American list member. 
>> Mike F.
>> was referring to the fact that, although he respected my wish for a 
>> harmonious
>> co-existence among people, reality does show that this is only wishful 
>> thinking.
>>
>> Several recent events - including the Pelissons' accusations obviously 
>> prove
>> that Mike's statement is true and thus I wrote, "so sad but so true!"
>>
>> 3) I thought I had made my point quite clear when I responded to Tracy's
>>  mail: "enraged if this should be more than just a nasty, filthy joke".
>>
>>
>> Wishing everyone
>> a good day,
>>
>> Bernd
>>
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